low fps on good pc :: DOOM General Discussions

ED13

Mar 14, 2018 @ 2:40pm

Drop the ultra settings.....

Last edited by ED13; Mar 14, 2018 @ 2:40pm

#1

Sir Tontonolous has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 2:53pm

Psst.

Use Vulkan.

#2

Sir Tontonolous has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 2:55pm

Also, I have a way ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ setup than you. I5 7500, GTX 1060 3gb, and 16 gb ddr4, and I run the game 70-80 fps max settings on OpenGL 4.5.

#3

Star98

Mar 14, 2018 @ 2:57pm

Originally posted by CULTSHITED13:
Drop the ultra settings.....

i get the exact same fps on low so..

#4

WabbitToonz has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 3:30pm

help / systemtem informatiom - paste the info in this thread .

#5

funkynutz

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:08pm

Originally posted by WabbitToonz:
help / systemtem informatiom - paste the info in this thread .

You can literally see the important bits in the original post... OK maybe it's a driver issue, maybe not...

Originally posted by Doomie™:
Psst.

Use Vulkan.

+1. Pretty much any half decent quad core CPU or better, 16GB RAM, 1060 6GB, should be able to hit nightmare settings using Vulkan.

#6

Star98

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:10pm

my drivers are up to date, and using vulkan causes game to not start.

#7

WabbitToonz has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:11pm

Originally posted by FunkynutZ:
Originally posted by WabbitToonz:
help / systemtem informatiom - paste the info in this thread .

You can literally see the important bits in the original post... OK maybe it's a driver issue, maybe not...

Originally posted by Doomie™:
Psst.

Use Vulkan.

+1. Pretty much any half decent quad core CPU or better, 16GB RAM, 1060 6GB, should be able to hit nightmare settings using Vulkan.

no . there are bits of info that leaves me guess . lik desktop or lapop? . 1 or 2 video cads ? ddr3 ir ddr4 ram? version /build driver .

PS i hope that anyone thinking to help knows how with out the info ?

#8

Star98

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:15pm

desktop, 1 video card, ddr4 ram 3000mhz driver version is 391.01

#9

funkynutz

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:20pm

Originally posted by WabbitToonz:
no . there are bits of info that leaves me guess . lik desktop or lapop? . 1 or 2 video cads ? ddr3 ir ddr4 ram? version /build driver .

DDR3 or 4 doesn't matter in most games. Certainly doesn't matter in this one.

He says he has " a gtx 1060 6gb," which would imply there's only 1 video card.

I mentioned the drivers... Which I'll address in a moment...

PS i hope that anyone thinking to help knows how with out the info ?

As it happens...

Originally posted by Morningstar:
my drivers are up to date, and using vulkan causes game to not start.

For starters, wipe your drivers with DDU and roll back to 390.77.

When installing the drivers, choose the custom install option.

DON'T install geforce experience, 3d vision, hd audio or any other crap. JUST install the graphics driver and physx (don't think you need physx for Doom, but you'll probably need it for something else).

Try launching with Vulkan again. Let me know how you get on.

#10

WabbitToonz has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:21pm

it is this simple to put system info ..... i ger 150 to 200 FPS ... here are mine

Computer Information:
Manufacturer: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.
Model: GS63VR 7RF
Form Factor: Laptop
No Touch Input Detected

Processor Information:
CPU Vendor: GenuineIntel
CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz
CPU Family: 0x6
CPU Model: 0x9e
CPU Stepping: 0x9
CPU Type: 0x0
Speed: 2808 Mhz
8 logical processors
4 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported
AES: Supported
AVX: Supported
CMPXCHG16B: Supported
LAHF/SAHF: Supported
PrefetchW: Supported

Operating System Version:
Windows 10 (64 bit)
NTFS: Supported
Crypto Provider Codes: Supported 311 0x0 0x0 0x0

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
DirectX Driver Name: nvldumd.dll
Driver Version: 23.21.13.9101
DirectX Driver Version: 23.21.13.9101
Driver Date: 2 23 2018
OpenGL Version: 4.6
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
DirectX Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x1c20
Revision: 0xa1
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
No SLI or Crossfire Detected
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Primary Display Size: 13.54" x 7.60" (15.51" diag)
34.4cm x 19.3cm (39.4cm diag)
Primary Bus: PCI Express 16x
Primary VRAM: 6143 MB
Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x

Sound card:
Audio device: Line 1 (Breakaway Pipeline)

Memory:
RAM: 16271 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Media Type: Undetermined
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 1178602 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 801720 Mb
OS Install Date: Dec 31 1969
Game Controller: None detected
VR Headset: None detected

Last edited by WabbitToonz; Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:23pm

#11

WabbitToonz has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:26pm

ddr 3 and 4 dont matter ? really ?

#12

funkynutz

Mar 14, 2018 @ 4:33pm

Originally posted by WabbitToonz:
ddr 3 and 4 dont matter ? really ?

Really.

In the vast majority of games what matters is how much RAM you have (do you have room to spare, or is it running at nearly capacity?), NOT how fast it is. 16GB DDR3 will beat 8GB DDR4 9 times out of 10.

I'm still using DDR3 and getting over 100fps in game...

My settings and a couple of screenies:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331217666
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331217692
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331217719
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212734232
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331217601
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1331217783
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212734143
(last one is an old one, might have been done before I realised there was a nightmare setting for virtual texture size, the rest were taken minutes ago).

Get a little bit of slow down if I stream it (old video, but should give you some idea):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0XHuza4_g

What's holding me back is my old AMD CPU. Haven't got around to trying doom out on my Ryzen rig yet...

Now lets look at your system info. I'll blank out all the bits that don't matter (at all):

Originally posted by WabbitToonz:
it is this simple to put system info ..... i ger 150 to 200 FPS ... here are mine

Computer Information:
Manufacturer: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.
Model: GS63VR 7RF
Form Factor: Laptop
No Touch Input Detected <--everything above this line is worthless generic rubbish. You could argue the point about laptop vs desktop, but these days it's not that important.

Processor Information:
CPU Vendor: GenuineIntel <-- Not even remotely interesting. I've never seen a "fakeIntel" or a "fakeAMD", and I've been doing this for years.
CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz <because we know this, we already know everything we need to know about the CPU.
CPU Family: 0x6
CPU Model: 0x9e
CPU Stepping: 0x9
CPU Type: 0x0
Speed: 2808 Mhz
8 logical processors
4 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported
AES: Supported
AVX: Supported
CMPXCHG16B: Supported
LAHF/SAHF: Supported
PrefetchW: Supported

Operating System Version:
Windows 10 (64 bit)
NTFS: Supported
Crypto Provider Codes: Supported 311 0x0 0x0 0x0

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
DirectX Driver Name: nvldumd.dll (not really useful, other than to say that the drivers have been installed, but if they weren't you wouldn't get the rest of the info):
Driver Version: 23.21.13.9101
DirectX Driver Version: 23.21.13.9101
Driver Date: 2 23 2018
OpenGL Version: 4.6 <--normally doesn't matter, but as Doom can use OGL I'll leave it in.
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
DirectX Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x1c20
Revision: 0xa1
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
No SLI or Crossfire Detected We already know this from the line above.
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Primary Display Size: 13.54" x 7.60" (15.51" diag)
34.4cm x 19.3cm (39.4cm diag)
Primary Bus: PCI Express 16x < this is useful... helps identify if the GPU is installed in the wrong slot. x8 or x4? You need to pull your PC apart and put the card in the right place.
Primary VRAM: 6143 MB
Supported MSAA Modes: 2x 4x 8x

Sound card:
Audio device: Line 1 (Breakaway Pipeline)

Memory:
RAM: 16271 Mb <-- notice even steam info doesn't bother listing RAM speed or DDR2/3/4.

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Media Type: Undetermined
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 1178602 Mb <--- not particularly useful on it's own...
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 801720 Mb <-- ...until you look here.
OS Install Date: Dec 31 1969 <--- LOL> I've never once seen this value to be correct.
Game Controller: None detected
VR Headset: None detected

CPU info for instance, we already know everything that's listed, because we know the model of the CPU (overclocking can change this obviously).

So while it's simple to post it, it's pointless. Junk data that's not needed.

IF you know the basic specs: CPU, amount of RAM, Graphics Card, that's plenty of information to speculate how well a game should run.

Steam info is just a trimmed down dxdiag. A huge chunk of the info simply isn't required in most instances (and if was, I'd ask for the proper dxdiag instead).

That applies to most games. There's a few (big open world games like Fallout 4 and SkyrimSE are good examples) where faster RAM will give you a perceivable improvement in performance, but even there limited amounts of RAM will hurt more than slower RAM.

Steam info also doesn't include things that could be vital. Power supply info for instance...

The amount of times I see people running on the bare minimum power supply their graphics card needs, and they wonder why after a few months the system keeps performing like ♥♥♥♥, or crashing...

You might spend days trying to help someone fix a problem, only to find out you've been wasting your time because they're using a Corsair VS 550 power supply to run a GTX 1080...

OK. I'm done

TL/DR... Get the basic info first. It's quicker to process, and simpler to work with. Remember the acronym: KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid).

Last edited by funkynutz; Mar 14, 2018 @ 5:33pm

#13

WabbitToonz has DOOM

Mar 14, 2018 @ 5:39pm

knowing how to use the data from stream is something that will help
im not going to adrees every thing you blacked out and why users on here ask for it (search the form ) and the end )
One picture says it all
you had yours here is mine
https://ibb.co/b55FSx

Last edited by WabbitToonz; Mar 14, 2018 @ 5:40pm

#14

Ransom

Mar 14, 2018 @ 6:46pm

Originally posted by Morningstar:
just got the game, i have a gtx 1060 6gb, i7 8700k, 16gb ram, and ultra settings and low settings im getting 40-50 fps, ive looked online seems low fps is quite a big issue, ive tried all the things online but still not going above 60.

Originally posted by Morningstar:
my drivers are up to date, and using vulkan causes game to not start.

its a known issue caused by the win10 creators update. it will damage some driver files sometimes and u cant repair it with a simple installation of new drivers... usually the solution is to use DDU to do a clean driver wipe and reinstall the latest drivers again. the drivers and ur card supports vulkan...
this solution is mentioned several times on this forum

Last edited by Ransom; Mar 14, 2018 @ 6:48pm

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