Rattay Tournament

[Agrael-]

What in the flying ♥♥♥♥ is necessary to win that bloody tourmanent? I hit one of the mfs 16 times with the longsword. Half of those in his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ head and he doesnt drop. He hits me 5 times and Henry starts to bleed like a pig, half his head is cracked and the damage is enough to drop me of the fight within seconds. And of those 16 hits, some of them were to his face. Now, those mfs has the face of steel.
Second fight, sword and shield. I hit the guy 24 times, he doesnt drop. He hits me FOUR TIMES and its fight over. WHAT THE HELL?!

[MacSuibhne]

First, you need skill in the weapon you choose. That means training. Master Strikes are helpful.

Second you need strength and agility, a good defense and good warfare skills.

If it were me... and it was... I wouldn't start the tourney until I was at least level 10 in all martial arts related attributes.

Once I did start (shortly after i learned Master Strikes) I won every tourney I entered (7+) and only lost one bout in all that time (because I was fiddling with lock and unlock).

FWIW. you can win every single bout with Master Strikes alone...

[Agrael-]

Master Strike to me is like arcane arts. You have the sequence, but it just doesnt go. You have to hit 3 times in a row in a sequence. They always defend, counter attack, dodge or etc and i end up in the other end of a master strike.
But man is frustrating to beat the living ♥♥♥♥ of those guys and still lose.

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by Agrael-:

Master Strike to me is like arcane arts. You have the sequence, but it just doesnt go. You have to hit 3 times in a row in a sequence. They always defend, counter attack, dodge or etc and i end up in the other end of a master strike.
But man is frustrating to beat the living ♥♥♥♥ of those guys and still lose.

Well, maybe it's your system :D because I never had that problem. Truth to tell, I think you just need to "git gud" . You may hate to hear that for any number of reasons, but when you distill it all down, that's what it comes to.

[Elgar]

Originally posted by Agrael-:

Master Strike to me is like arcane arts. You have the sequence, but it just doesnt go. You have to hit 3 times in a row in a sequence. They always defend, counter attack, dodge or etc and i end up in the other end of a master strike.
But man is frustrating to beat the living ♥♥♥♥ of those guys and still lose.

You mistake Master Strike for Combo. It's not the same thing at all. To be able to do a Master Strike, you must first learn it from Captain Bernard.

[vine]

pulling off Master Strike i believe depends on warfare level, and i could imagine similar scaling with the specific weapon skill for weapon that can master strike. the higher skill the better Henry does. but you owe him a well versed yourself as a player, experienced and understanding the system, with blocks and dodges used actively.
so as Mac above advises, train with Bernard until at least in vicinity of skill level 10 in your weapon of choice, and warfare. defense is slower as it depends on you actually defending, blocking.

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by Elgar:

You mistake Master Strike for Combo. It's not the same thing at all. To be able to do a Master Strike, you must first learn it from Captain Bernard.

I think you're right...

@Agrael Master Strikes don't involve any sequences-- one (click) and done. One click of the 'block' button and that's it. You don't even have to move. Some people think it is overpowered, and in 1v1 it may be. But in melee or in real combat it's not always that easy to pull off. But still a critical skill to have.

[Agrael-]

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

Originally posted by Agrael-:

Master Strike to me is like arcane arts. You have the sequence, but it just doesnt go. You have to hit 3 times in a row in a sequence. They always defend, counter attack, dodge or etc and i end up in the other end of a master strike.
But man is frustrating to beat the living ♥♥♥♥ of those guys and still lose.

Well, maybe it's your system :D because I never had that problem. Truth to tell, I think you just need to "git gud" . You may hate to hear that for any number of reasons, but when you distill it all down, that's what it comes to.

If i had to git gut i wouldnt be able to hit them 16+ times. The problem is the single 4 times they hit and my hp drops to zero. So, one single combo and im out. On the other hand, they dont lose. You hit any heavly armed bandit 16 times, being 6 in the head and he is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dead.

[Agrael-]

Originally posted by Elgar:

Originally posted by Agrael-:

Master Strike to me is like arcane arts. You have the sequence, but it just doesnt go. You have to hit 3 times in a row in a sequence. They always defend, counter attack, dodge or etc and i end up in the other end of a master strike.
But man is frustrating to beat the living ♥♥♥♥ of those guys and still lose.

You mistake Master Strike for Combo. It's not the same thing at all. To be able to do a Master Strike, you must first learn it from Captain Bernard.

If Master Strike is when you deflect their attack throwing a counter attack, yea, i do that a lot. But still, 16+ hits and they are still up and kicking. Its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ '-'

[AfLIcTeD]

It's called armour. Their armour will protect their health as long as they have stamina. You have to drain their stamina to get to their health. Once their stamina is drained they will take huge damage to their health. Hitting unprotected parts like open face will damage health too. You will know they are low on stamina as they will stagger around, this is the time to attack relentlessly. Even if you are low on stamina.

Those 4 hits you took would have been a combo, draining your stamina and depleting your health. Combos can be quite deadly, that is why they are hard to pull off. I've dropped enemies with 1 combo before.

[Agrael-]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

It's called armour. Their armour will protect their health as long as they have stamina. You have to drain their stamina to get to their health. Once their stamina is drained they will take huge damage to their health. Hitting unprotected parts like open face will damage health too. You will know they are low on stamina as they will stagger around, this is the time to attack relentlessly. Even if you are low on stamina.

Those 4 hits you took would have been a combo, draining your stamina and depleting your health. Combos can be quite deadly, that is why they are hard to pull off. I've dropped enemies with 1 combo before.

Thank you very much, this was very helpful. So the armour in this game is relative to stamina, right? So if i deplete my stamina, my armour rating will go down and if they hit me with a combo then im dead, right?

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by Agrael-:

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

It's called armour. Their armour will protect their health as long as they have stamina. You have to drain their stamina to get to their health. Once their stamina is drained they will take huge damage to their health. Hitting unprotected parts like open face will damage health too. You will know they are low on stamina as they will stagger around, this is the time to attack relentlessly. Even if you are low on stamina.

Those 4 hits you took would have been a combo, draining your stamina and depleting your health. Combos can be quite deadly, that is why they are hard to pull off. I've dropped enemies with 1 combo before.

Thank you very much, this was very helpful. So the armour in this game is relative to stamina, right? So if i deplete my stamina, my armour rating will go down and if they hit me with a combo then im dead, right?

Pretty much, yeah. Doesn't have to be a combo though, a few normal hits will kill you with no stamina. Just that if they combo you your stamina will almost be gone as you will use it by normal blocking or getting hit. Then the last hit will kill or almost kill you.

Keep in mind dodges, perfect blocks and master strikes cost no stamina and breaks their combo. So you want to do these as much as possible.

[MacSuibhne]

Understand that it's a multitude of factors that work together--that's one of the more brilliant aspects of this game: You have to have the strength and agility (stamina) to handle high level weapons. Then you have to have the skill to handle high level weapons.

Then the better your armour, the better your defense. And, on top of that, you have to have a high level of defense to hold your own against opponents who, may or may not have a high level of skill or highly rated weapons or first class armour. Raising your defense and your warfare xp make a lot of difference.

It all works together and from the start Henry (and you) need to work at learning and training and getting better... in every skill attribute... as well as getting better equipment.

[skooma addict]

it takes time. it's all about character stats and perks. at some point your Henry will become strong enough that the Tourney is just too easy for him

[GrannYgraine]

I haven't won a tourney yet. I get close, then lose. However, this is a great place to observe the moves of an opponent, learn to counter them and you can level up your weapons, warfare, and agility so a loss is also a win. I try to fight in every tourney.

[Charlie.aka.misterwood]

Completely frustrated with the tournament. Granted, it's my first time and haven't leveled up much, but it sucks getting my ass kicked without being able to counter, combo, or even defend the other guy's strikes. Oh well, I'll go about my business and try the tournament much later.