Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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Immolate Jul 18, 2021 @ 2:17am
I died 5 times in a row to 2 bandits non stop attacking me and draining my stamina and i can't get a single hit.
The combat is ridiculous and don't give me this "realistic" crap please.I googled how to melee combat in this game and it suggested using master strike but i don't have them yet and game pushes 2 strong enemies at me whose strength is better than mine and they don't stop attacking me. I counter attack every single hit but still they block everything, eventually they attack one after another my stamina reaches 0 and i die. What the ♥♥♥♥ is this game? What the ♥♥♥♥ is this camera which let enemies hit you when you even don't see them. Why it spins all of a sudden? I am so frustrated by this game, even after i spent 10 hours i still don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ understand it.
Explain to me how you can land a 100% hit on enemies stronger than you? By previous fights i felt like i landed it randomly, most of the time by fake attack but i did have a time to do it, but now i don't, i am being spammed by attacks and die very fast.
Last edited by Immolate; Jul 18, 2021 @ 2:27am
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every1hasnames Jul 18, 2021 @ 3:15am 
You just suck at it. Realize it, get over it and get better and you will be able to destroy entire large fortified encampments of enemies eventually.

your problem is you. not the game. The faster you realize that the faster you can do something about it the faster you will learn the combat system.


Go to bernard. He teaches everything you need to know. YOu train with him. as many times as you like. And i advise you to do it as many times as it takes for you to properly learn the combat system.


Hes the one that teaches master strikes, combos, how to perfect block. Basically everything you need to know.


Practice, stop blaming the game for your lack of knowledge and your incompetence at the game due to you being a beginner of the game.


for the record in the first 10 hours of the game you are perfectly capable of learning master strikes from bernard.
Last edited by every1hasnames; Jul 18, 2021 @ 5:28am
Pathfinder Serza Jul 18, 2021 @ 3:32am 
Yeah, it's a pitfall of the realism.

How far in are you? Did you unlock training with Captain Bernard yet?
If so, stay with him a while.

Regardless, those will be two very experienced opponents with good armour.
Even with my current playthrough (where I killed Runt in two hits and he didn't even touch me) I would approach that scenario with a force multiplier or just straight up run away.

My favourite is mounted archery, and if I need a lot more OOMPF behind me, I have arrows treated with Bane that I can fall back on. I never get off the horse in ambushes unless I find a fight between some guards and bandits/cumans.

If this is the part where you're hunting and have to suddenly go to someone's rescue, the last time I went through that, I had a dagger and the stealth kill option, and I used stealth as a force multiplier (killed one before they knew I was there - and I can't remember if the second also got stealth killed or I went in a more knightly fashion at him).

In the end, the best two force multipliers are stealth (which is really hard in KCD, but workable - once again due to the realism they went for) and mounted archery, if you already have a horse. That one requires that you first get the horse though, and a decent bow, and isn't necessarily applicable early game.


The thing is, there is no guaranteed way to win a fight. No special magical move to defeat every opponent - as Bernard says in the game. Often executing a combo comes during a string of more or less random hits from different directions, and I just work the combo into that string. Often it comes from executing a riposte.


Now what gets REALLY annoying is if you encounter a bunch of guys in armour. Not only is there more of them and they have armour while you still have a gambeson, but sometimes, they can run faster with their stuff than you wearing what equals to a tougher hoodie. Those really made MY head spin.
rob_easom Jul 18, 2021 @ 4:47am 
i have been playing for a while and at the beginning of the game you suck. Henry has only ever held a wooden sword and has no idea how to fight. If you are at Rattay train with Bertrand level up warfare, Sword, defense . Make sure your sword isn't damaged. Get a few perks that benefit your play. Level up Archery, Fight in the Rattay tourney even if you lose.

Train Train Train. I cannot stress this enough. Also try not to take on more than one opponent at a time as they can overwhelm you especially since you cannot see your flank. So back away and keep stabbing. In some cases Run Away (Trust me this tactic works well when you play a Womans lot DLC Theresa's story)

Chances are when you were attacking they were using master strikes on you. Your not going to win this game straight away Henry sucks at everything at the start of the game. This game isn't Skyrim where you can become someone that will take on the world straight away. This game takes practice but once you know how to do these and learn the combat mechanics hopefully you will like this game like everyone else here does.

Like previous guy said if your in the hunting mission Use stealth to free the guy as the Cumans at this point have the ability to kill you even with the level they are but they are experience soldiers while Henry is not

Finally once you are trained enough and learn the mechanics have two melee weapons A Sword for low and unarmoured enemies and a Mack with the nutcracker perk to take out the armoured people
Last edited by rob_easom; Jul 18, 2021 @ 4:50am
Xarko Jul 18, 2021 @ 9:01am 
Just wait until they are asleep and give them a good night arrow in the head.

Important thing to remember is this an RPG. Your level, skills and stats matter more than your actual playerl skill.
Last edited by Xarko; Jul 18, 2021 @ 9:03am
MacSuibhne Jul 18, 2021 @ 9:12am 
In point of fact, the game tells you, repeatedly, on screen--roughly every third time you load it:

"if you find yourself outnumbered (or outgunned) the best option may be to run away. Live to fight another day. You can always come back when you're more skilled at combat, more stealthy or fortified with potions."

IOW, if you don't have the stats or the weapon skills (and you will, eventually), don't engage in combat. "...run away. Live to fight another day."
Aki87 Jul 18, 2021 @ 10:29am 
-There is no way to 100% land a hit on an enemy without performing a master strike.
-If you are running out of stamina, it means you are failing your Perfect Blocks - thats something you can practice right now.
-Camera spinning is usually a sign the enemy has tackled you either from behind, or infront due to not being locked onto a target. For only 2 enemies, i suggest locking onto the first and rolling mouse wheel up or down to target the second one IF he is in your line of sight.

What two bandits are you fighting?
1) do you mean the 2 Man at Arms in Stables quest? Yes they are much stronger than you but you dont have to fight them head on.
2) Do you mean the 2 cumans who have a prisoner? You dont have to fight them.
Last edited by Aki87; Jul 18, 2021 @ 10:32am
Immolate Jul 18, 2021 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by MacSuibhne:
In point of fact, the game tells you, repeatedly, on screen--roughly every third time you load it:

"if you find yourself outnumbered (or outgunned) the best option may be to run away. Live to fight another day. You can always come back when you're more skilled at combat, more stealthy or fortified with potions."

IOW, if you don't have the stats or the weapon skills (and you will, eventually), don't engage in combat. "...run away. Live to fight another day."
IN fact there were plenty of times when i tried to run away but still got killed because npc run just as fast as i am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz-uW_jJ_uU
this is how i died
but then i found out by some random chance that my shield was broken and thats why i was taken so much damage on block and parry. The problem is that the game does not even inform you about it there is no indication like in witcher 3, or even tutorial window about broken items.
After i discovered this, i killed them with single shard.
But still you can see in the video i got hit out of my sight because of this stupid lock system in first person game. I think this is very bad decision.
Last edited by Immolate; Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:04am
every1hasnames Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:02am 
Originally posted by Immolate:
Originally posted by MacSuibhne:
In point of fact, the game tells you, repeatedly, on screen--roughly every third time you load it:



IOW, if you don't have the stats or the weapon skills (and you will, eventually), don't engage in combat. "...run away. Live to fight another day."
IN fact there were plenty of times when i tried to run away but still got killed because npc run just as fast as i am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz-uW_jJ_uU
this is how i died
but then i found out by some random chance that my shield was broken and thats why i was taken so much damage on block and parry. The problem is that the game does not even inform you about it there is no indicatior like in witcher or even tutorial window about broken items.
After i discovered this, i killed them with single shard.


the game does tell you when an item is broke. there is an indicator. It just doesnt send a message pop up box on screen in the hub of the game or show a broken weapon icon.


YOU actually have to look at the item and its stats. YOu didnt. The items stats is the indicator.
Last edited by every1hasnames; Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:05am
Immolate Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by every1hasnames:
Originally posted by Immolate:
IN fact there were plenty of times when i tried to run away but still got killed because npc run just as fast as i am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz-uW_jJ_uU
this is how i died
but then i found out by some random chance that my shield was broken and thats why i was taken so much damage on block and parry. The problem is that the game does not even inform you about it there is no indicatior like in witcher or even tutorial window about broken items.
After i discovered this, i killed them with single shard.


the game does tell you when an item is broke. It just doesnt send a message pop up box on screen.


YOU actually have to look at the item and its stats. YOu didnt.
i have to look at items and its stats? Why? I look at the stats when i pick new gear, i am used to other games which inform you about broken items. This game has some useless indicators with active perks, stuffed belly, traumas but it does not have indicators about broken weapons in hand. This is developer's poor design, not some realism or god knows how you will call it.
Last edited by Immolate; Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:12am
every1hasnames Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by Immolate:
Originally posted by every1hasnames:


the game does tell you when an item is broke. It just doesnt send a message pop up box on screen.


YOU actually have to look at the item and its stats. YOu didnt.
i have to look at items and its stats? Why? I look at the stats when i pick new gear, i am used to other games which inform you about broken items. This game has some useless indicators with perks, stuffed, traumas but it does not have indicators about broken weapons in hand. This is developer's poor design, not some realism or god knows how you will call it.



yes you have look. ONe thing you need to change in your thinking is that every game has to be the same. has to have the same method of indicating you on things. just becuase its a different method doesnt mean there is no method of indicating you.


And regardless of your opinion on it it is way more realistic to look at a items stats instead of getting a pop up icon or pop up message holding your hand telling you hey your equipment is broke.


Its more realistic because in real life. YOu have to look at your wweapon or shield or item or whatever its to see if it is broke. YOu have to look. to see if it is broke.

a peice of armor, or sword or shield cant tell you its broke.


YOu have to change your way of thinking or your going to have a very bad time with this game and it wont be the games fault it would yours. Regardless if you think its game.

but yoru opinion is your opinion. This is how it is in this game.



This isnt a witcher game. this isnt the other games you have played that has those features.


I get it your used to games telling you in a more upfront way.



you have to look and see.


Its not hard. All you have to do is when you fight gauge how many times you get hit. If its alot you may want to look at your equipment stats.
Last edited by every1hasnames; Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:23am
Immolate Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:22am 
Originally posted by every1hasnames:
Originally posted by Immolate:
i have to look at items and its stats? Why? I look at the stats when i pick new gear, i am used to other games which inform you about broken items. This game has some useless indicators with perks, stuffed, traumas but it does not have indicators about broken weapons in hand. This is developer's poor design, not some realism or god knows how you will call it.



yes you have look. ONe thing you need to change in your thinking is that every game has to be the same. has to have the same method of indicating you on things. just becuase its a different method doesnt mean there is no method of indicating you.


And regardless of your opinion on it it is way more realistic to look at a items stats instead of getting a pop up icon or pop up message holding your hand telling you hey dumb dumb your weapons broke.


Its more realistic because in real life. YOu have to look at your wweapon or shield or item or whatever its to see if it is broke. YOu have to look. to see if it is broke.

a peice of armor, or sword or shield cant tell you its broke.


YOu have to change your way of thinking or your going to have a very bad time with this game and it wont be the games fault it would yours. Regardless if you think its game.
Excactly you have to look at item and visually it does not change at all. YOU dont look at weapon you look at some stats in some menus.
You can see on the video it looks like new no visible effects of damage. If you say something about realism than they should've made damaged models for weapons, and let you look at it like in cs go.
every1hasnames Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by Immolate:
Originally posted by every1hasnames:



yes you have look. ONe thing you need to change in your thinking is that every game has to be the same. has to have the same method of indicating you on things. just becuase its a different method doesnt mean there is no method of indicating you.


And regardless of your opinion on it it is way more realistic to look at a items stats instead of getting a pop up icon or pop up message holding your hand telling you hey dumb dumb your weapons broke.


Its more realistic because in real life. YOu have to look at your wweapon or shield or item or whatever its to see if it is broke. YOu have to look. to see if it is broke.

a peice of armor, or sword or shield cant tell you its broke.


YOu have to change your way of thinking or your going to have a very bad time with this game and it wont be the games fault it would yours. Regardless if you think its game.
Excactly you have to look at item and visually it does not change at all. YOU dont look at weapon you look at some stats in some menus.
You can see on the video it looks like new no visible effects of damage. If you say something about realism than they should've made damaged models for weapons, and let you look at it like in cs go.


when you go to look the stats your looking at the item. I agree they shouldve made damaged models.



but they didnt. And the way they did it is still realistic.


As when you go to look at the stats of the weapon or item. YOur looking at it. YOu see the item.


The only thing missing is the model looking damaged.
Last edited by every1hasnames; Jul 18, 2021 @ 11:53am
Originally posted by Immolate:
The combat is ridiculous and don't give me this "realistic" crap please.I googled how to melee combat in this game and it suggested using master strike but i don't have them yet and game pushes 2 strong enemies at me whose strength is better than mine and they don't stop attacking me. I counter attack every single hit but still they block everything, eventually they attack one after another my stamina reaches 0 and i die. What the ♥♥♥♥ is this game? What the ♥♥♥♥ is this camera which let enemies hit you when you even don't see them. Why it spins all of a sudden? I am so frustrated by this game, even after i spent 10 hours i still don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ understand it.
Explain to me how you can land a 100% hit on enemies stronger than you? By previous fights i felt like i landed it randomly, most of the time by fake attack but i did have a time to do it, but now i don't, i am being spammed by attacks and die very fast.

The games specific nature is that you begin inexperienced at everything. You're only way to make it so everything becomes easy, fighting included is to train before thrusting into action. Bernard as mentioned above is your combat port of call. Once you raise the skills it no longer feels hard, this is the way its supposed to be.
Pathfinder Serza Jul 18, 2021 @ 2:05pm 
You can see if a weapon is in bad shape when you go to sharpen it. But yes, you can not check it otherwise.
every1hasnames Jul 18, 2021 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by Pathfinder Serza:
You can see if a weapon is in bad shape when you go to sharpen it. But yes, you can not check it otherwise.



theres actually 3 ways to check it. what i said, what you said, and asking to repair at a shop
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