tricks of the trade

[themousemaster]

So I know the "supposed" way to do it, but I was just wondering: what do I need to pass the speech check, and see the (completely not relevant to the quest completion) additional text?

I dramatically overscore the speech check, but I know this game has made it a point that just beating a check isn't necessarily enough.

Not my "normal" garb, not my full suit of armor (that gets most people to call me "sir knight"), not a set of fancy clothes seems to help. Bathed and everything.

Is this one of those "fake" options that technically cannot succeed regardless, or is there a trigger I am missing?

[themousemaster]

man, I come back after the weekend, and no replies? is it that much of a secret? :(

[PafunaMT]

Well, I dunno what you're referring to when you say "the supposed way to do it", because there are a couple of options to finishing the quest. What's the way you do it now?

How high is your speech, while we're asking for information.

[themousemaster]

ive checked youtube. I cant find anything; anyone who was able to do it just clicked the option and "succeeded". never got a chance to see what they were wearing, aside from their helmet in the dialogue graphics. (and in one video, I can't speak French, so that didn't help ;p)

My speech is 11 base, and I have access to a bard potion, not that it helped. given that brings me to 16, and I have the perk that lets me "see" his speech skill (6), I consider that pretty substantially overscored, to answer PafunaMT's second question.

And to answer his first question, the way you are "supposed" to do it is to find out its a chant to get the timing right, then overhear him saying the poem and repeat it to the other blacksmith; I'm not having trouble COMPLETING the quest, I just want to know what I'm missing to complete the fully-diplomatic option. I like flavor conversations, what can I say.

[AfLIcTeD]

I believe you just ask him directly, mentioning people thinking he uses spells or something. He thinks it is nonsense and tells you the truth. You may need to tell him about you being the son of a blacksmith.

[PafunaMT]

I see -

Well, reciting the chant back to the Ledetchko smith is one way to complete the quest: the other is to select the option about 'tempering', and that's where the speech check comes in, I think. When you speak to Mikesh in Sasau, at some point there's an option to recall how your father was a blacksmith. If your speech is higher than his (7 or above I think), he'll say something like, "Fine words, and no mistake", then wax eloquent about how smithing is godly and profitable. Then you'll follow the prompts to talk with him about tempering.

Once you return to the Ledetchko smith, the option to tell him about tempering will be there. You can also tell him about the chant. Either way, quest is a success.

Also, you can also ask the Mikesh's wife about the chant, if you're into doing the complete quest. She'll tell you it's a nonsense rhyme.

One walkthrough here that gives you all the options - https://guides4gamers.com/kingdom-come-deliverance/quest/tricks-of-the-trade/. Hope that is the answer you're looking for.

On wearing clothing, it really doesn't impact your speech skill, but during certain dialog options, you'll find the charisma stat can give you a better response option than the speech stat. Unfortunately, if the dialog only relies on passing the speech check, then your out of luck as charisma wouldn't have any impact by itself. Others may have different insights.

[themousemaster]

I have speech higher than 7. Modified, its 16. and even with that, and any type of clothing I can get, I still fail the speech check. Having that guy tell me that there's no way I'm related to a blacksmith and I'm full of it is not the result I'm after.

Since it seems this is not apparent to everyone in the thread, and without naming names, I will enunciate exactly what I am asking:

I do NOT need to know how to complete the quest, I can do that using other methods.

I SPECIFICALLY want to know how to pass the speech check. Good stats and clothing alone apparently don't work.

[PafunaMT]

Try Bard Potion, raises core speech skill +5, available from alchemists and herb women.

[AfLIcTeD]

I think there are some speech checks in the game that cannot be passed, ever.

[themousemaster]

that thought occurred to me AfLic, but I've sen videos on youtube where its been passed. they just don't show me enough to figure out how.

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by themousemaster:

that thought occurred to me AfLic, but I've sen videos on youtube where its been passed. they just don't show me enough to figure out how.

Not sure then. Unless you need to do something else first in order to pass it.

By the looks of it you just need higher speech.

[HellDuke]

Originally posted by themousemaster:

I SPECIFICALLY want to know how to pass the speech check. Good stats and clothing alone apparently don't work.

Clothing is irrelevant. It raises your charisma, not speech. You use the speech stat to pass the check and that is all you need: a high enough speech stat.

[themousemaster]

his skill is 7. I've managed to, by burning everything I can, get myself to 18, and still not passing it. Hence, why I think there's something else involved.

That said, if you happen to know what the passable value for it is, I can come back to it later, I just don't want to put it off and have it become uncompletable, as this type of game has already done to me several times.

(and no, I don't just want to "read ahead" to when that would be, I like experiencing the storyline firsthand; that's why I dislike this type of hidden mechanic. If the only way to get it done is to wait, but waiting also might cause it to be lost, and the game does not show me what the critical variable is, then I... well, I've failed. And that's not my goal here.)

[JustSayAxel]

I think there might be a hidden stat check on your Maintanance level. Level 10 or above should suffice for passing the check (I believe I had Maintanance at 11 when it worked). Though you probably need to succeed the Speech check as well.

[themousemaster]

wow, holy 2-year old reply batman! :)

I'll keep this in mind next time I load the game, though that may be a while yet. Thanks :)

[wjpower2003]

Holy crap, I left the keys for my DeLorean in my other trousers.