Pickpocket Skill Is Useless

[Teralitha]

When I can simply use stealth knockout on anyone with no skill and then loot everything for zero consequences.

[Vote Quimby]

Knocking out people also damages them. Some woman NPC can even die after knockout...

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Vote Quimby:

Knocking out people also damages them. Some woman NPC can even die after knockout...

And I still have no consequence either way, unless someone else sees me do it. The point is that stealth knockout/kill makes pickpocket useless.

[Lexyvil]

I try to avoid that since I'm playing as a thief instead of a murderer, knowing there's a risk of killing the person with knock outs. It would be cool though if there was some perk where you can knockout without killing, and be able to choose to kill after they're knocked out.

[Teralitha]

No one ive knocked out has died that i know of.

[Serious Business]

Originally posted by Vote Quimby:

Knocking out people also damages them. Some woman NPC can even die after knockout...

♥♥♥♥ em, I'm not doing these tedious mini games. If they die, they die.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Also if you see someone important who you can get behind in order to pickpocket, especially when guards make regular rounds and such, knocking out such a person is not an option as it will turn into a you being WANTED, followed by a cluster F, following you you getting frustrated and reloading a saved game. Even if you somehow managed to get away with it, the game often doesn't let you fully get away with it and you lose rep in that area / town. Losing too much rep can really hurt you with the Law, Guards and also the various Merchants and such. It's not worth the rep loss, unless there is something you can do within that town to build it back up. Which not all towns have various quests and such you could do in order to build rep up.

Pickpocket is very nice and useful, however you have to be patient very early in the game and first build up your stats.

Be very mindful of your stats and how that plays a role into "sneaking" and "noise" ~ This can all easily change based on equipped clothing/armor and alike. You also have potions you can find, buy or craft to lower noise and increase sneak.

[Teralitha]

Most guards that stop me can be intimidated by my high social skills. So I quite often do my evil deeds in front of people because I know I can scare nearly every guard into backing down. I dont bother with pickpocketing, I just knock em out and take everything easily. If I am seen I just scare the guard. In the rare event it fails, I just pay the fine, or if I currently have stolen valuables, I run for it. They can never catch me.

There are ways to make everything easy, but at the same time, if you mess up, its game over.

[DargonBlak]

Henry's Reputation is reduced if he knocks someone out - Henry is always blamed.

The Reputation reduction happens during sleep, and isn't announced, so it's not real noticeable

this is the normal way the game applies consequences for criminal acts of assault

for example, you can knockout folk during the Skalitz prologue without "immediate" consequence (unless u r seen) - and your Reputation when arriving in Rattay will reflect these criminal acts

thus it is possible to start in Rattay with a -99 Reputation, and Henry's starting Reputation in Rattay is used to set Henry's Reputation with individual traders and some citizens throughout the game, (not just Rattay), which can make playing the game more difficult

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well for a Town, double click to expand on that Town.
Some larger ones will have a break-down of the Rep. such as...
> Villagers
> Traders
> Guards

Something along those lines.
So no, it does not make everything auto drop for every instance of "law breaking" or "dishonor" actions. It depends on what you did and who it affected overall. Now sure if it drops among the Villagers and Military Guards by alot, this can affect Traders. Traders each have their own though. Each Trader can be affected by how you deal with them. For example if you go to Checkout with a Trader and then do Bargain (whatever words they actually use for this) and then you keep asking for a too low of a price (aka; low balling them) over and over, your Rep with them will drop. You usually will always want to try and bargain and very slightly less price and see if they will accept it, it helps if you are successful. If rep with a trader drops below 60-70% be more careful overall. You can increase this with a trader more easily when you have more money. Then when you go to buy stuff, do Bargain and actually give them slightly above the asking price. Doing that a few times can raise the Rep. with that Trader. Lower Rep with Traders affects your the buy and sell prices for anything that will accept from you; and not all Traders will accept the same kinds of items. Some only accept "Armour" items for example, while some only deal with "Food" items.


Knock-out is basically always a crime. Where as Pickpocket is only a crime if you fail and/or caught.

[Teralitha]

I always give every merchant a little extra so my rep with them is always going up. Its not a problem. My rep with the guards is the worst, but my rep with everyone else is always good.

[Sir_Gorz]

Stealth knockout and then robbing the victim also gives you Pickpocketing experience (and obviously Stealth). So yes the minigame itself is basically useless.

[RealmOfLumen]

I'm levelling it up right now cause I failed to pickpocket Henslin or whatever his name is in A Woman's Lot and I want that achievement. Now that I am using it, it's actually quite fun. But I also love herb picking; I heard many find that useless too ;)

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by RealmOfLumen:

I'm levelling it up right now cause I failed to pickpocket Henslin or whatever his name is in A Woman's Lot and I want that achievement. Now that I am using it, it's actually quite fun. But I also love herb picking; I heard many find that useless too ;)

Herb picking isnt useless at all. Its a way to raise strength, a way to make money, and its for alchemy. Pickpocketing is far more useless than anything else you do in the game.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I wonder if there is a mod available or if it is possible to make one... allowing you to see better on screen info such as (Rep Lost -5) or (Stealth Gained +5)

Something along those lines.

All we see in Player Stats are red lines and it's not clear to me how much of an actual increase happens after various moments.

[dylina66699]

good point but its a cool feature man you have to admit that, PLUS if someone DOES see you do it you get lower fine than stealth knockout