Moonshine crafting gone wrong

[Azor]

Somehow I'm crafting only 1 moonshine per craft instead of 3, and i don't know what I'm doing wrong:
spirits
st john
boil
grind mint
grind sage
boil
distill

[Bad 💀 Motha]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3347861082

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

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no trial and error perk.. well. I tried your method and got 2 moonshine instead of three, and my recipe didn't have the last step. Disabled all the mods too. I don't know.

However, I just found a reddit thread ( https://www.reddit.com/r/kingdomcome/comments/gvjshi/alchemy_guide/ )talking about how you can craft 3 potions while skipping some steps, for every potion. For moonshine, he said we can skip the last step at level 4. Implicitly, for 3 potions, at level 0 you can not skip any steps, at level 4 you can skip one step, and with Trial and Error you can skip 2 steps,

In order to see if that is true, I loaded an older save file which is at level 9 alchemy (coincidentally the same alchemy level as you). Then, I drank Lethean Water in order to remove all of my perks. Finally, I crafted moonshine while skipping the last step. That yielded 3 moonshine.

If I do that in my more recent save file that is at level 0 alchemy, I craft 2 moonshine instead.

Given that I am crafting a different amount of moonshine with different alchemy levels despite following the same steps, and that the maximum amount of craftable potions is NOT affected by your alchemy level (as I said earlier, I have always been able to craft 3x of any potion at level 0, except moonshine), I can confirm that alchemy level does give more leniency to potion brewing.

That is, unless Trial and Error does not correctly get removed by Lethean Water. So I'll try and craft moonshine on my newest save file at level 4 again, just to be sure

Therefore, its inconclusive whether you actually managed to do every step. But don't get me wrong. I'm glad you took some of your time to try and help me.

[Azor]

I have just confirmed that you will brew 3 moonshine if you skip the last step if your Alchemy level is at least 4. You also gain the last step of the recipe (therefore the amount of steps added to your recipe depends solely on the amount of potions brewed instead of the amount of correct taken). So your level does allow you to skip steps.

still, the game won't allow me to craft 3x moonshine if I follow the recipe by the book.

[2GenL]

Escrito originalmente por Azor:

Somehow I'm crafting only 1 moonshine per craft instead of 3, and i don't know what I'm doing wrong:
spirits
st john
boil
grind mint
grind sage
boil
distill

Buy water - combine the potion with the water and you can get a lot more out of a single potion than 1 use

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por 2GenL:

Escrito originalmente por Azor:

Somehow I'm crafting only 1 moonshine per craft instead of 3, and i don't know what I'm doing wrong:
spirits
st john
boil
grind mint
grind sage
boil
distill

Buy water - combine the potion with the water and you can get a lot more out of a single potion than 1 use

I know. One potion can be applied to 5 water, except Saviour Schnapps, and poison applied to water can't be reapplied to weapons.

Still can't craft 3x moonshine at level zero because the game fails to register one or two of the steps.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Maybe a bug, try doing some others and reach Alchemy lvl1 first.

[Veritas]

pretty much none of the recipes at level 0-1 alchemy give you all 3 results regardless of how you follow the recipe

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por Snazzy Dragon:

pretty much none of the recipes at level 0-1 alchemy give you all 3 results regardless of how you follow the recipe

All of them are supposed to work at level 0. .The reason why you easily make 3 potions at higher level is because higher levels allow you to skip more steps. So if there's any potion of which you can't make 3 at the same time at level 0, then either you failed at following a step (eg not grinding an ingredient when you had to) or did something else you weren't supposed to (e.g. grind an ingredient when you don't have to grind it), or the game is bugged and fails to register one step, or the in-game recipe is wrong (either one of the steps is wrong or it is missing one step).

I haven't tried them all at level 0 to 1 (you inevitably level up) but the ones I tried, with the exception of Moonshine, worked: Saviour Schnapps, Marigold decoction, Camomile brew, Aqua vitalis, Lazarus potion.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I went back on an older save with Alchemy LVL3 and it was making 3x potions no problem. I don't have any older save than that though without starting over.

However, I don't see how you are messing up Moonshine, that's an easy one.

I just went back to my normal save that is a fairly fresh playthrough with Alchemy LVL9 and one potion I have trouble with is Padfoot. Couples times I did it, it only output 1x. I did it again a slightly different way and it output 2x. So yes it is just that picky with the boiling timings and such. Plus you have to pay attention to wording as well. Like if it says "Toss them in and THEN boil" then you want to do just that. If it doesn't word the recipe that way, then you should be fine to grab an herb, put in the dish, start you bellows to get the boiling where you want it, then toss in the herb. If any ingredient is a non-herb; such as mushroom, tusk, antler, cobweb; these will auto-toss into pot when you grab them, so be mindful of this.

But some that might look harder like Nighthawk, Savior Schnapps, Witch and even Lethean Water are simple to me for whatever reason to where I always output 3x no problems.

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

I went back on an older save with Alchemy LVL3 and it was making 3x potions no problem. I don't have any older save than that though without starting over.

However, I don't see how you are messing up Moonshine, that's an easy one.

I just went back to my normal save that is a fairly fresh playthrough with Alchemy LVL9 and one potion I have trouble with is Padfoot. Couples times I did it, it only output 1x. I did it again a slightly different way and it output 2x. So yes it is just that picky with the boiling timings and such. Plus you have to pay attention to wording as well. Like if it says "Toss them in and THEN boil" then you want to do just that. If it doesn't word the recipe that way, then you should be fine to grab an herb, put in the dish, start you bellows to get the boiling where you want it, then toss in the herb. If any ingredient is a non-herb; such as mushroom, tusk, antler, cobweb; these will auto-toss into pot when you grab them, so be mindful of this.

But some that might look harder like Nighthawk, Savior Schnapps, Witch and even Lethean Water are simple to me for whatever reason to where I always output 3x no problems.

I'll try Padfoot at level 0. I still have a save file at that level with enough money to buy ingredients. I'll tell you my results and how I did it if I manage to brew 3.

Maybe you can skip a step with moonshine at level 3, else your method just works? I don't know cause I tried your method a few times and it didn't. I'll try your method again tho

it feels like you have to be way too precise when boiling mint and sage at level 0 in order to get 3 yields, then you get more leniency up to level 3, and at level 4 you can simply do away with boiling sage and mint entirely

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

I just went back to my normal save that is a fairly fresh playthrough with Alchemy LVL9 and one potion I have trouble with is Padfoot. Couples times I did it, it only output 1x. I did it again a slightly different way and it output 2x. So yes it is just that picky with the boiling timings and such.

I figured out how to craft 3 padfoot. You're right, it has to do with timing. I used aid from the internet this time to figure out why I was crafting 2 padfoot instead of 3.

There's two problems with the recipe.
1st is egregious - it's missing the Distill step. You HAVE to distill.
the 2nd has to do with timing. To cite the reddit thread above: "Valerian by default needs to be boiled for a brief time. It seems at higher level the tolerance level extends all the way to 'not boiled at all,' eventually."

So this is how I did the padfoot recipe at level 0 and got 3 padfoot potions (you can skip or fail a step at higher levels)
Water
>Grind valerian and add to dish
>Boil cobweb and eyebright for 5 PULLS OF THE BELLOW
>Just as cobweb and eyebright are about to finish boiling, drop the valerian and pull the bellow ONCE
>Grind chamomile
>Drop chamomile in the cauldron while/after is cools down
>Distill

The trick is to make the valerian boil just a little bit. If you boil more than a bit it counts as an error, reducing your yield from 3 to 2.

EDIT: alternatively you can drop the valerian in while cobweb+eyebright are still boiling: drop it as its nearly finished boiling but dont do it too soon nor too late.

EDIT 2: I tried Bad Motha's moonshine brewing method at level 0. It's still giving me 2 moonshine.

it feels like you have to be way too precise when boiling mint and sage at level 0 in order to get 3 yields, then you get more leniency up to level 3, which would explain why he managed to brew 3 moonshine but I didn't, and at level 4 you can simply do away with boiling sage and mint entirely

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Buy what ingredients?
All the ingredients for potions are free just find them in the world.

[Azor]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Buy what ingredients?
All the ingredients for potions are free just find them in the world.

yes. I was just saying that I have a level 0 alchemy save file with which I can test brewing potions easily and quickly.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ok no problem

[Caramel_Clown]

I'll be honest, I find the fact that alchemy is so messy and unreliable amusing and very thematic.