Reputation bug + People stop greeting Henry and act like he's trespassing is bug also ?

[Siegfried]

Hi, one day I check my game stats and it turned out that, somehow, Henry got about -46 Reputation with Skalitz. Moreover, whatever I do (give people discount/pay extra while trading, slaying bandits, doing quests, etc.) my reputation wouldn't be increased.

Additionally, one day people just stop greeting Henry (Hey! Henry has come to see us, Jesus Christ be praised, etc.) People will act like I'm not there even if I have positive reputation (50-100) with them.

And when I go visit places like isolated peasant houses and such, people would act like I'm trespassing or sneaking (they'd say Hello,Who's there ? Can I help you ? or What are you doing! etc.) again, this happens even in settlements that I have positive reputation with.

I know for a fact that the reputation thing is bugged, but what about NPC reaction/greetings ? Is that also a bug or is it an intended feature (like people has been complaining about too much greetings/people being too friendly with Henry).

[DargonBlak]

First off, i have never seen reputation as bugged - it is a causal effect to something i actively chose to do in game. For example, Skalitz refugees carry over any reputation of Henry from Skalitz to Rattay - and the Refugees also affect the Rattay Soldier's perspective. Thus if Skalitz Refugees hate Henry, the Rattay soldiers will dislike Henry.

Second, no one welcomes Henry INTO there homes - Henry is Always viewed as a trespasser - as is indicated by a special icon that shows up at top of screen next to compass - and is described to the Player the first time they trespass - the pop-up description tells you this, and also that there are two levels of trespass - the first "you will be told to leave if noticed" and the second "it is considered a crime if noticed" (read the tips and hints as they pop-up - it is the only way to really learn the game).

If, for example, you insisted on walking into everyone's home in Skalitz, and did not leave when they told you to, your Reputation with Skalitz town would be affected. And, since your reputation with a town sometimes takes a day to update - you would not see this Reputation change until you arrived in Rattay. The Skalitz refugees would still hate Henry for trespassing, and then, Rattay Soldiers would dislike Henry too.

And, Henry's Starting Reputation in the Entire Land, is baselined to his total Reputation in Rattay when he first enters Rattay.

And Third, buying and selling at prices that cause "Reputation Gained" is only for *that One Trader*, which is then used as a component to calculate the overall Reputation with Town *Traders* (an average) - Not for ANY soldiers nor for ANY Refugees or Townsfolk or Countryside.

Henry's Reputation for each town is described in detail in the Reputation Tab, and is the (weighted) average of the different groups. You have to do different acts to improve Reputation with different groups.

And, it's a long road back from a bad reputation.

[AfLIcTeD]

All intended features.
If you were stealing and murdering in the prologue then you will have low rep once you finish it. Jail time should reset any bad reputation.

Not everyone one will greet Henry all the time. Which is a good thing as it gets rather annoying. Especially when you have never stepped in the village before.

Some people just don't like you hanging around their property, even if you are not trespassing.
They won't call the guards or anything but they will hang around until you bugger off.

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

First off, i have never seen reputation as bugged - it is a causal effect to something i actively chose to do in game. For example, Skalitz refugees carry over any reputation of Henry from Skalitz to Rattay - and the Refugees also affect the Rattay Soldier's perspective. Thus if Skalitz Refugees hate Henry, the Rattay soldiers will dislike Henry.

Second, no one welcomes Henry INTO there homes - Henry is Always viewed as a trespasser - as is indicated by a special icon that shows up at top of screen next to compass - and is described to the Player the first time they trespass - the pop-up description tells you this, and also that there are two levels of trespass - the first "you will be told to leave if noticed" and the second "it is considered a crime if noticed" (read the tips and hints as they pop-up - it is the only way to really learn the game).

If, for example, you insisted on walking into everyone's home in Skalitz, and did not leave when they told you to, your Reputation with Skalitz town would be affected. And, since your reputation with a town sometimes takes a day to update - you would not see this Reputation change until you arrived in Rattay. The Skalitz refugees would still hate Henry for trespassing, and then, Rattay Soldiers would dislike Henry too.

And, Henry's Starting Reputation in the Entire Land, is baselined to his total Reputation in Rattay when he first enters Rattay.

And Third, buying and selling at prices that cause "Reputation Gained" is only for *that One Trader*, which is then used as a component to calculate the overall Reputation with Town *Traders* (an average) - Not for ANY soldiers nor for ANY Refugees or Townsfolk or Countryside.

Henry's Reputation for each town is described in detail in the Reputation Tab, and is the (weighted) average of the different groups. You have to do different acts to improve Reputation with different groups.

And, it's a long road back from a bad reputation.

First of all, people in other areas have positive reputation with me. All aside from Skalitz and places I've never visit, my reputation was almost 100. It is only with Skaliz that I have -46 repuation.

Secondly, one day just out of the blue I discovered that reputation stop increasing no matter what I do, even if I do things that show "Reputation Increased" notification.
Not just trading, but also questing and bandits killing. They all stop increasing my reputation.

Thirdly, people in Rattay, the place that I have about 97-98 reputation with, USED TO greet me.
One day they just stop. Out of the blue. Just like that.

Lastly, I DID NOT trespass. I just stand outside of their houses and such, not going into their house. There is NO trespass warning, none, neither the red one nor blue one.

Yet even if I stand outside their houses people will say things like "Who's there!" "What are you doing!" etc.

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

All intended features.
If you were stealing and murdering in the prologue then you will have low rep once you finish it. Jail time should reset any bad reputation.

Not everyone one will greet Henry all the time. Which is a good thing as it gets rather annoying. Especially when you have never stepped in the village before.

Some people just don't like you hanging around their property, even if you are not trespassing.
They won't call the guards or anything but they will hang around until you bugger off.

That is not it. People USED TO greet my Henry. One day, just out of the blue the very same people stop greeting the very same Henry.

Same with Skalitz reputation. One day it just became -46 and it also locked other towns/factions reputation.

[Siegfried]

Jesus Christ, guys, are you all seriously thinking that people who steal and kill and do all that ♥♥♥♥ in Skalitz is going to be SO OBVIOUS to the consequences and ask question like "Hurr durr, why's my relationship with Skalitz is negative?" ???

[nauzicaa]

Originally posted by Siegfried:

Hi, one day I check my game stats and it turned out that, somehow, Henry got about -46 Reputation with Skalitz. Moreover, whatever I do (give people discount/pay extra while trading, slaying bandits, doing quests, etc.) my reputation wouldn't be increased.

Additionally, one day people just stop greeting Henry (Hey! Henry has come to see us, Jesus Christ be praised, etc.) People will act like I'm not there even if I have positive reputation (50-100) with them.

And when I go visit places like isolated peasant houses and such, people would act like I'm trespassing or sneaking (they'd say Hello,Who's there ? Can I help you ? or What are you doing! etc.) again, this happens even in settlements that I have positive reputation with.

I know for a fact that the reputation thing is bugged, but what about NPC reaction/greetings ? Is that also a bug or is it an intended feature (like people has been complaining about too much greetings/people being too friendly with Henry).

Well the reputation system is quite buggy, I have encountered many problems with it. You probably have not f'd up, it's just bad code.

[DargonBlak]

No NPC in game likes you to trespass on there property - inside OR outside there home. Outside of their home, you will not get an "Trespassing" Icon, but the owner will react unfavorably, and ask you to leave.

I have never tested to see "How Unfavorably" they react if i refuse to leave their property, i just simply leave as soon as i see them stop what they are doing and start approaching me. It is possible that a lack of response on my part could cause a negative reputation effect, but as i said, i have never tested this. Perhaps you did though.

i have never seen reputation as bugged, but i don't really worry about reputation since it has (practically) no bearing on the game completion.

I did learn negative is bad - and i've always found it to be very causal.

If you ever figure out that your reputation change was causal - we'd be interested in hearing.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by Siegfried:

Jesus Christ, guys, are you all seriously thinking that people who steal and kill and do all that ♥♥♥♥ in Skalitz is going to be SO OBVIOUS to the consequences and ask question like "Hurr durr, why's my relationship with Skalitz is negative?" ???

Over the past year, i have seen plenty of posts that describe exactly what you don't seem to expect would happen. Even with some folks asking "What Reputation Tab".

While you are welcome to swear at me if you'd like, your comment did not really help the OP in anyway that i can notice. But i appreciate your input.

[nauzicaa]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Originally posted by Siegfried:

Jesus Christ, guys, are you all seriously thinking that people who steal and kill and do all that ♥♥♥♥ in Skalitz is going to be SO OBVIOUS to the consequences and ask question like "Hurr durr, why's my relationship with Skalitz is negative?" ???

Over the past year, i have seen plenty of posts that describe exactly what you don't seem to expect would happen. Even with some folks asking "What Reputation Tab".

While you are welcome to swear at me if you'd like, your comment did not really help the OP in anyway that i can notice. But i appreciate your input.

He actually is OP.

[AfLIcTeD]

Seems like the OP has all the answers himself. Which begs the question of why he asked them in the first place.

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Seems like the OP has all the answers himself. Which begs the question of why he asked them in the first place.

To ask for affirmation whether it is really a bug.
And if it is a bug there might be a chance that users in the community might have fixes for them.

But since you people don't seems to get my explanation so I have to clarify it. For example YOU thought that, from my explanation, the game was working the way it was meant to work.

"If you were stealing and murdering in the prologue then you will have low rep once you finish it."

You don't understand that I didn't steal and murder so I clarity it.

"Jail time should reset any bad reputation."

You don't understand that it does not, and I don't know whether it is supposed to be this way because guess what ? I have never been jailed.

"Not everyone one will greet Henry all the time. Which is a good thing as it gets rather annoying. Especially when you have never stepped in the village before."

So IT IS the case that people do greets Henry all the time to the point that it's annoying, even in villages you never visit before. Therefore I am asking if it is normal that one day people stop greeting Henry. Is it a bug or did they patch it ?

Seriously if it sounds like I already have all the answer to my question, then to me you aren't here to contribute anything. You're just here to find yourself a yes man who would agree to everything you say and grovel at your feet for every useless piece of information you provide.

I am sorry, man, but unless you really have any helpful information I am not going to do that. Chalking up potential bugs as "intended features" doesn't count as helping solve people's bug.
And it help even less when you act like an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when people point that out.

So you don't have to reply to my thread in the first place dude. You can go find people to stroke your ego somewhere else.

[Siegfried]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

No NPC in game likes you to trespass on there property - inside OR outside there home. Outside of their home, you will not get an "Trespassing" Icon, but the owner will react unfavorably, and ask you to leave.

I have never tested to see "How Unfavorably" they react if i refuse to leave their property, i just simply leave as soon as i see them stop what they are doing and start approaching me. It is possible that a lack of response on my part could cause a negative reputation effect, but as i said, i have never tested this. Perhaps you did though.

i have never seen reputation as bugged, but i don't really worry about reputation since it has (practically) no bearing on the game completion.

I did learn negative is bad - and i've always found it to be very causal.

If you ever figure out that your reputation change was causal - we'd be interested in hearing.

Thank you, I didn't know that NPC doesn't like Henry being on their property outside their houses since I always hang around in cities and not small villages. I tested it by not leaving and they just act suspicious to him.

I realize that reputation doesn't have that much bearing but since NPC suddenly stop greeting me I thought it was caused by me suddenly having -46 reputation with Skalitz.

Also just to clarify, in my play through which has this problem "Skalitz refugees" category doesn't exist under "Rattay" tab. I just realized that you suppose to have Skalitz refugee category under there when I started a brand new play through. The tab that has -46 reputation is simply "Skalitz" as in Skalitz town, not Skalitz refugee.
It must have been a bug caused by me having a save file that started long before many patches.

I don't get what you means by casual, but when I start my new play through, reputation increase easily enough (I manage to increase Talmberg villager's reputation to 76 by selling cuman gears to them with discount before I left to Skalitz ruin and fight Runt).

However, in my old save file, no matter what I do reputation stop changing. I tried to reduce my reputation by murdering random people and it doesn't decrease either.