Master strike / riposte

[Sokurah]

So i am confused about these two terms.

A master strike is unblockable for you and your opponent as i understand it.
Its an actual fixed animation in the fight bound to the placement of the hit and block direction.

A riposte is no master strike and its not unblockable and it has no animation, its a usual hit (if you get it)
Its after you perform a perfect block. (Time slows a bit) and if you press at the moment the weapons hit you perform a riposte, which has no animation and is also no guaranteed hit.
Like you can read it in the description.

A riposte can only be performed if you time the block too late and miss the master strike.
It clearly says you need to hit the strike button. Which is not necessary for master strike.

So the content of this vid is basically wrong.

YouTube™ Video: Mastering the art of swordfighting part 2 - Block, perfect block and riposte! 

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Hello everyone, Here is the second video guide on how to kick ass in Bohemia. You'll learn how to properly block, perfect block and execute the riposte! Thank you for watching

What do you think?

Kingdom Come: Deliverance 

A Screenshot of Kingdom Come: Deliverance

By: Sokurah

[Lieste]

Yes, attacks, attacks in the context of a parry-riposte and masterstrikes are distinct and separate actions.

The first is only an attack, the second is a defence action followed immediately by an attack action, and the last is an attack made by the defence action in a single time.

IRL, the most simple masterstrike is nothing more than a slightly late diagonal "peasant cut" performed while stepping out 'behind' the cover created by it. The step brings the fencing line 'behind and above' the opponent's cut, the cut suppresses the flat of the opponents weapon and is stronger by being bound above and the parry and strike to the head should be virtually simultaneous, so there is no window in which to defend against it.... only by having good structure and cover from your own attack, so their good defence is neutrally met. This is not a fancy technique, just the right technique for the situation, performed well, in the right way and at the right time and from the proper distance and place.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

+1

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

The way the discription tells it, its impossible. Riposte need to hit the strike button.

You can read it in the screenshot. Also it says you can master block a riposte. But you cant do nothing about a master strike to counter. And master strike needs no strike button to be pressed.

Also it says "riposte while doing a perfect block" a master strike is already no perfect block anymore.

Thats why i said its confusing.

Or its just badly written in the discription.

[Lurgenda]

A riposte is the attack you do after you do a perfect block.
In the turorial under Tutorial -> Combat: Advance techniques its clearly written:

After executing a perfect block you also can carry out a riposte by pressing one of the attack buttons during the block. Your opponent can only defend against a riposte by means of a perfect block. The most advanced combat techniques consist of a master strikes. A master strike is performed similarly to a perfect block or dodge. Once Captain bernard has taught you this technique, by pressing the block button during the first stage first stage

Bernard only explains it briefly so misunderstanding are somewhat normal here

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Lurgenda:

A riposte is the attack you do after you do a perfect block.
In the turorial under Tutorial -> Combat: Advance techniques its clearly written:

After executing a perfect block you also can carry out a riposte by pressing one of the attack buttons during the block. Your opponent can only defend against a riposte by means of a perfect block. The most advanced combat techniques consist of a master strikes. A master strike is performed similarly to a perfect block or dodge. Once Captain bernard has taught you this technique, by pressing the block button during the first stage first stage

Bernard only explains it briefly so misunderstanding are somewhat normal here

That would match my interpretation. Riposte and master strike are something different.

I didnt thougt about looking in the tutorial section. i only checked the skills.

thx.

EDIT: i just checked. It says even more clearly ...

"Riposte and perfect block can be chained one after the other until you or your opponent hits"

Thats clearly impossible with a master strike either form you or your opponent.

[Lurgenda]

i never bothered looking into tutorials anyway, im more the learning by doing but KC:D got me curious and i really like the codex and all the information you can find there. So thats why i looked more into it

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Lurgenda:

i never bothered looking into tutorials anyway, im more the learning by doing but KC:D got me curious and i really like the codex and all the information you can find there. So thats why i looked more into it

It confused my because i thought a propper riposte would also be some kind of animation bit its not.

[Akboris]

Ripostes are a standard block-attack. They are useless 90% of the time. Just a block with an opportunity for the bot to score another bloody master strike on you.

Master strikes are early blocks. Block super early. Simple as that. Late game is master strike-master strike-master strike making combat very defensive and monotonous.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Akbarogo:

Ripostes are a standard block-attack. They are useless 90% of the time. Just a block with an opportunity for the bot to score another bloody master strike on you.

Master strikes are early blocks. Block super early. Simple as that. Late game is master strike-master strike-master strike making combat very defensive and monotonous.

Yes its a bit wierd that the master strike is the most effective.

[myeqchars]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

+1

I respectfully disagree with these interpretations. Riposte is when you HAVE TO PRESS an attack button after a Perfect Block. A master strike, on the other hand, is when you hit the Block button early enough (in your opponent's attack animation) - it's earlier than Perfect Block - and the (master) strike is performed automatically by the game and you DON'T HAVE TO PRESS an attack button (like with Riposte).

With Riposte your opponent can Perfect Block and Riposte you in return and this can go back-and-forth between you two many times until someone lands their Riposte.

Master strike, on the other hand, is Unblockable. But it's harder to get the timing right...

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by myeqchars:

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Masterstrike and Riposte are exactly the same thing. Just two names for one and the same thing.

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

+1

I respectfully disagree with these interpretations. Riposte is when you HAVE TO PRESS an attack button after a Perfect Block. A master strike, on the other hand, is when you hit the Block button early enough (in your opponent's attack animation) - it's earlier than Perfect Block - and the (master) strike is performed automatically by the game and you DON'T HAVE TO PRESS an attack button (like with Riposte).

With Riposte your opponent can Perfect Block and Riposte you in return and this can go back-and-forth between you two many times until someone lands their Riposte.

Master strike, on the other hand, is Unblockable. But it's harder to get the timing right...

Yes. It is like you say it. We cleard that in the posts above too.
Master strike is no riposte.

[DargonBlak]

When you select to Learn Master Strike, the selectable text says "Learn Riposte with a Sword" - thus, the "Master Strike" for the Sword is referred to as "Riposte".

However, i do recall Bernard talking about Riposte during basic training, when discussing Perfect Block creating an opportunity to counter-attack - and i think he even refers to it as a Riposte.

Therefore, during training with Bernard - there are two *distinct* times Riposte may be mentioned, and they are mentioned differently.

The term Riposte is thus over-subscribed in KCD training with Bernard. For one, there is an implication that you have to press the attack following the block, while the other is part of the block.

The attack that immediately follows the block during the Master Strike animation does certainly *sometimes* look like a classic IRL riposte - but other times it's more of a kick in the pants.

Blame the game - they are Both called Riposte.

[myeqchars]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

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Blame the game - they are Both called Riposte.

Ok that's fair. I didn't remember that Bernard called them both "riposte" (blame my poor memory lol) but I was able to confirm in my tournament a few minutes ago that there is an "automatic riposte" whose animation was different than a "manual riposte" triggered by me. For the auto-riposte (aka master strike) the game did a double-stab with the pommel of my short sword whereas I would have gone for a single forward stab if I did a manual riposte.

On a related note, as my 3rd-level opponent (the final guy) went for a strike, I used the same timing as I would have for a block but went for a stab in his face instead (short sword, RMB) and won the round with that single move! I had never seen that before!! What do you suppose that move is called?

To clarify, that was early in the round and I hadn't landed any blows. In fact I think that was the 1st exchange for both of us!

[Sokurah]

Sometimes a hit to the head knock out enemies no matter how often you hit before.

Had that a few times myself.
Its a usual master strike tho. At least i guess 😊