Stealth worth it?

[Shifty]

Is trying to get stealth up to get stealth kill worth it? see alot of people say they have lot success rate and can be easily noticed even when in darkness with no noise? ive noticed too being spotted when i doubt i would really be seen

[Porky Pig]

I like Crouching Chameleon, I don't seem to get noticed [just like in real life ]

[Bankai9212]

You can get by with low stealth, just make sure to remove leg armor, where nothing but black and sneak at night.

[Heresy]

Stealth kinda breaks the game and makes it all very easy.

[Shifty]

So its just a matter of my low skill then?

[Heresy]

has more to do with the colour of your clothing, the noise factor of your clothing than it does to with your actual skill in stealth.

[Bankai9212]

Nah, besides some decent low level perks. Just have some black cloths and wait till night time as long as visibility is in the 90s your invisible for the most part. But the ai is odd overall.

[Kai]

Originally posted by Memo:

Is trying to get stealth up to get stealth kill worth it? see alot of people say they have lot success rate and can be easily noticed even when in darkness with no noise? ive noticed too being spotted when i doubt i would really be seen

How stealth works is that your visibility stat is multiplied by the lighting in the area.
So even if you have insanely low visibility of 10-20, guards/bandits can still see you about 5-10 meters away in the middle of the day.

When it's night, even with high visibility, the 'light' in the area multiplies it and can render it down to near zero in pitch darkness.

How AI detection works is that once they 'detected' you, they have 100% visibility of you through walls for X seconds until this 'memory' of your state starts to fade.

This is why when you trespass and a AI see you in a trespass zone, they will be 'detected' and will always see you until you leave the area of which they lose that detection, or it starts fading if they are still spotting you until you leave.

This is why when you enter trespass area that you stay undetected first, and even if they hear you, as long as you immediately hide out of sight, they will go to the direction of the noise, investigate, and then walk away. If you continue to emit noise, they'll go to your updated location, and this varies based on how noisy you are.

Noise is a bigger risk and giveaway than visibility.

You can 'force' a NPC to leave his post if you bump into his face, causing him to detect you, and then immediately run into a upstairs trespass zone to get his attention (or wear a lot of armor and be noisy so he runs up to check), and then eliminate all traces of noise and knock him out when he isn't looking. It's one way to bait NPCs out of visible areas in Skalitz if you want to do some looting.

[𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛]

I found stealth to be quite useful, honestly. I'm in the minority but it was fun. Armours can be a giveaway, keep that in mind. But the dogs are always going to get you when you prowl around camps.

[Kai]

And bows for a sneak attack is always handy, especially if you use a command in your system.config file to always enable crosshair, it makes aiming with a bow much easier.
Still have a hard time landing hits on things 25 meters away though because the aim will sway.

[Empyreo]

My current armor is 0 noise, 18 visiblity and about 20 conspicuous. I play assassin/bow and have zero trouble assassinating people, even during the day time. Bandit camps will require a bit of skill because youll have to take out the patrol guys first. But doable. Better at night when you catch them sleeping. Or just use bane potion in their food.

[Strai]

Stealth in this game is either full broke and/or RNG. With a save behind some high level bandits, I ran like 100 tests, and couldn't get consistent results to (literally) save my life. Sometimes you can sneak up behind people, wearing full plate armor, and choke them out next to their buddy, without anyone noticing. Other times you can have 0 noise stat, be 100% behind somebody, in the dark, and they'll somehow notice you from 10 feet away and turn around. Whistles seem to work entirely at random, maybe related to your horse(?), and your horse seems to bug the AI in general. Sometimes NPCs will walk straight past you while you're crouching in front of them, other times they spot you from 100 miles away. Sometimes you can land the choke and the enemy just breaks out of it nonsensically.

/shrug

[theo]

Originally posted by Memo:

see alot of people say...

They're scrubs. If you know what you're doing you can make stealth work almost as 100% chameleon effect in Oblivion. NPCs won't notice you literally under their noses.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Heresy:

has more to do with the colour of your clothing, the noise factor of your clothing than it does to with your actual skill in stealth.

i was in all black with pretty low noise lol

[Heresy]

Mm im playing hardcore right now and trying to implement more stealth just to succeed. Im dying to fist fights at the start lol. THe above seems about correct 100% rng regardless of your sound, skill, colour. I can also get away with killing people in the middle of a town in broad daylight surrounded by people with no penalty. However if i forget to use a torch at night or steal 1 thing i get cutscene grabbed by a guard that will just spawn and "catch me" from across the map lol.

[theo]

^ Cool story