The Prey. What on earth? [SPOILER ALERT]

[kandnil]

Ok so I followed Hans, got a bunch of rabbits, won that bet and followed him as he chased the boar into an ambush. Immediately after the cut scene I was attacked by 2 cumans. SInce I now was in a fight, I was not allowed to switch from bow to sword. THe swordmaster cuman almost killed me before arrow #14 took him down. Not before though, I had but a few hitpoints left and was profoundly bleeding. 2 seconds after killing the first, I was killed by the second cuman.

I then hit the internet to see how one is supposed to deal with this. Oh I can choose to fight or sneak, they told me. Fine, except there is absolutely no choice but to fight here since they have already spotted me and started their attack when the cutscene ends. Nor am I allowed to stop the bleeding.

What is going on here? How is Henry who has barely started his weapon training, supposed to deal with 2 cuman war veterans?

5 attempts now all ending the exact same way. Cutscene ends, Henry dies almost immediately after killing the first cuman, spending pretty much all arrows on him.

[kandnil]

Ok, so I reverted to an earlier save (only 2 hours lost) and this time I equipped the sword and shield before going with Hans on the boar hunt. It worked and I
1: Killed both Cumans
2: Rescued Hans
3: Talked to Hans
4: Was told that the task of taling with Hans failed.
5: After a lengthy cutscene, I was sent out to help tracking down these killers
6: Was immediately hunted down by city guards for... I have absolutely no idea what for

This can't be right.

[wjpower2003]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Ok, so I reverted to an earlier save (only 2 hours lost) and this time I equipped the sword and shield before going with Hans on the boar hunt. It worked and I
1: Killed both Cumans
2: Rescued Hans
3: Talked to Hans
4: Was told that the task of taling with Hans failed.
5: After a lengthy cutscene, I was sent out to help tracking down these killers
6: Was immediately hunted down by city guards for... I have absolutely no idea what for

This can't be right.

If you have no reason why the guards have accosted you, it makes little sense telling us about it because we can't help you without more information. What did the guard say your crime was? They usually verbalise the reason for your arrest.

[DargonBlak]

Okay - first off, if you have your own Horse, this quest plays out differently.

Original Script required that you had no horse during this quest.

Original Script: (paraphrased) SPOILERS
Starting from the beginning of "chasing the boar". with no horse, Henry could not possibly keep up with Hans, so after a cutscene of Hans charging off, Henry returns to the thicket above the boar's wallow.

From here, Henry then must *search* for and find the Cuman camp - and then investigate.

If you are careful and slow, you will see/hear Hans calling at the Cumans, and the Cumans responding - this allows you to find everything before charging in.

Updated Script for Henry with a Horse: (paraphrased) SPOILERS
With a Horse, Henry can keep up with Hans - thus there is a cutscene of Henry and Hans charging after the Boar (and "Hans" model is already "injured")

Henry thus arrives at the edge of the Cuman camp - and the two Cumans are in range.

It seems to me you experience the latter (with horse), and most on-line discussions talk about the "no horse" option.

With that cleared up...

You can always swap weapons in combat, just select the other weapon.

However, there is a very large Lag to weapon swap activation (pump twice and wait)

Also, these cumans are rather easy to kill - for no horse option, i usually use a bow on one and then finish the other in melee - with horse, the best option is all melee and use your surroundings (part of what they are trying to teach in game).

Welcome to KCD.

[kandnil]

Originally posted by wjpower2003:

Originally posted by kandnil:

Ok, so I reverted to an earlier save (only 2 hours lost) and this time I equipped the sword and shield before going with Hans on the boar hunt. It worked and I
1: Killed both Cumans
2: Rescued Hans
3: Talked to Hans
4: Was told that the task of taling with Hans failed.
5: After a lengthy cutscene, I was sent out to help tracking down these killers
6: Was immediately hunted down by city guards for... I have absolutely no idea what for

This can't be right.

If you have no reason why the guards have accosted you, it makes little sense telling us about it because we can't help you without more information. What did the guard say your crime was? They usually verbalise the reason for your arrest.

I guess what I meant by that post was: I have not committed any crime like theft or murder/assault, no pickpocketing, nothing. 2nd time I reloaded the autosave at the beginning of The Hunt Begins, the same guards showed no interest in me. This makes me think the arrest was a bug and I was, in a very roundabout way I admit, asking if anyone had encountered this before.

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Okay - first off, if you have your own Horse, this quest plays out differently.

Original Script required that you had no horse during this quest.

I see! I have indeed a horse! That does explain it to me so thanks heaps!

[danilo.schoeneberg]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Ok so I followed Hans, got a bunch of rabbits, won that bet and followed him as he chased the boar into an ambush. Immediately after the cut scene I was attacked by 2 cumans. SInce I now was in a fight, I was not allowed to switch from bow to sword. THe swordmaster cuman almost killed me before arrow #14 took him down. Not before though, I had but a few hitpoints left and was profoundly bleeding. 2 seconds after killing the first, I was killed by the second cuman.

I then hit the internet to see how one is supposed to deal with this. Oh I can choose to fight or sneak, they told me. Fine, except there is absolutely no choice but to fight here since they have already spotted me and started their attack when the cutscene ends. Nor am I allowed to stop the bleeding.

What is going on here? How is Henry who has barely started his weapon training, supposed to deal with 2 cuman war veterans?

5 attempts now all ending the exact same way. Cutscene ends, Henry dies almost immediately after killing the first cuman, spending pretty much all arrows on him.

What the heck were you drinking when you wrote that? This is complete hogwash. First of all, of course you are allowed to switch from bow to sword in a fight, you literally just have to press the '1' key.

Pardon my french, but If those two half-timbered Cumans manage to kill you, you're better off playing pokemon. You have to be spectacularly crap at just about everything to lose to these two halfwits. They're even debuffed to make it easier for you. Good grief man.

[Gustuv Wynd]

Oh, yeah...I've seen some reload bugs during the Prey. There is a buff you get that makes it so you aren't poaching while hunting with Hans. Some times on a reload Hans sees you poaching before the buff takes effect or maybe it just doesn't ever take effect. It is rare, but it happens.

I always pay close attention to if the rabbits have a "take" or a "steal" on the loot window if I have ever reloaded during this stage. Hans is scripted so he will not change his behavior if sees you doing a crime...but you end up getting reported for it.

but yeah...those two early Cummans are push overs...I have never seen one not die to one or two arrow or sword strikes. Make sure you aren't using gear that you don't have the stats for. That will drastically drop the damage you can do.

[kandnil]

Originally posted by danilo.schoeneberg:

What the heck were you drinking when you wrote that? This is complete hogwash. First of all, of course you are allowed to switch from bow to sword in a fight, you literally just have to press the '1' key.

Pardon my french, but If those two half-timbered Cumans manage to kill you, you're better off playing pokemon. You have to be spectacularly crap at just about everything to lose to these two halfwits. They're even debuffed to make it easier for you. Good grief man.

I was wondering if I should bother with this but here is what did happen: Pressing 1 did nothing more than putting my bow away. Pressing 1 again did nothing and I had to press 2 to get the bow out. This is what happened so how about you calm your tits and listen up instead when people tell you what happen then they play? The fact that the sword would not come out (yes it was equipped before you keep thundering about) was what made me write what I did.

[Gustuv Wynd]

Though there should have been no issue with switching weapons. The only time I've seen pressing 1 not switch to a melee weapon is if one was not equipped. Which some times will happen due to quests or events unequiping weapons for you.

Even if some one is beating on you, you can switch weapons.

[2GenL]

you can switch between a bow and sword within combat.... You cant access the inventory but you can swap weapons using the 1 and 2 key, so skill issue as usual

[danilo.schoeneberg]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Originally posted by danilo.schoeneberg:

What the heck were you drinking when you wrote that? This is complete hogwash. First of all, of course you are allowed to switch from bow to sword in a fight, you literally just have to press the '1' key.

Pardon my french, but If those two half-timbered Cumans manage to kill you, you're better off playing pokemon. You have to be spectacularly crap at just about everything to lose to these two halfwits. They're even debuffed to make it easier for you. Good grief man.

I was wondering if I should bother with this but here is what did happen: Pressing 1 did nothing more than putting my bow away. Pressing 1 again did nothing and I had to press 2 to get the bow out. This is what happened so how about you calm your tits and listen up instead when people tell you what happen then they play? The fact that the sword would not come out (yes it was equipped before you keep thundering about) was what made me write what I did.

If pressing 1 doesn't change the weapon, the reason is that you haven't assigned a main hand weapon. That's not the game's fault though. In 2500 hours of playing the game never exhibited the bahaviour you described.

[noxteryn]

Originally posted by kandnil:

SInce I now was in a fight, I was not allowed to switch from bow to sword.

This is normally not true, you can switch weapons during combat. If you're sure you weren't able to, it may have been a bug.

[wjpower2003]

Originally posted by noxteryn:

Originally posted by kandnil:

SInce I now was in a fight, I was not allowed to switch from bow to sword.

This is normally not true, you can switch weapons during combat. If you're sure you weren't able to, it may have been a bug.

You can only switch between bow and melee weapon if a melee weapon is already selected/equipped. My guess is that OP didn't have any of the melee weapons in the inventory equipped so couldn't switch from the bow.

[kandnil]

Originally posted by wjpower2003:

Originally posted by noxteryn:

This is normally not true, you can switch weapons during combat. If you're sure you weren't able to, it may have been a bug.

You can only switch between bow and melee weapon if a melee weapon is already selected/equipped. My guess is that OP didn't have any of the melee weapons in the inventory equipped so couldn't switch from the bow.

Like I already stated, the sword was equipped in the inventory (big lilly like symbol showing). It does sound like a bug indeed to me. Currently working my way to the same point from a previous savegame. We'll see what happens then.,

[wjpower2003]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Originally posted by wjpower2003:

You can only switch between bow and melee weapon if a melee weapon is already selected/equipped. My guess is that OP didn't have any of the melee weapons in the inventory equipped so couldn't switch from the bow.

Like I already stated, the sword was equipped in the inventory (big lilly like symbol showing). It does sound like a bug indeed to me. Currently working my way to the same point from a previous savegame. We'll see what happens then.,

Sorry, I must have skimmed over the part where you mentioned it was equipped. Good luck with the new attempt.

[danilo.schoeneberg]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Originally posted by wjpower2003:

You can only switch between bow and melee weapon if a melee weapon is already selected/equipped. My guess is that OP didn't have any of the melee weapons in the inventory equipped so couldn't switch from the bow.

Like I already stated, the sword was equipped in the inventory (big lilly like symbol showing). It does sound like a bug indeed to me. Currently working my way to the same point from a previous savegame. We'll see what happens then.,

Big lilly-like symbol? Mate, how stoned are you? What you are talking about is a perk. Weapons, when equipped don't show a symbol except when looking in the inventory, and there a sword has a sword-like symbol, not a lilly.