Some clarification on crime and NPC's reactions needed.

[Arndell]

Even if you are completely unseen and stash your stolen goods somewhere until the stolen status wears off before selling, do NPC's still "know it's you" and behave as such, higher prices, less willing to barter etc.

I notice that if you go on a huge stealing spree, especially if you have the ability to unlock very hard chests and rob stores, the guards do A LOT more spot checks and gate checks, which is pretty cool.

But I saw a loading screen tip that said even if no one witnesses your crimes, people will still be annoyed at you? not sure if this was just translated awkwardly and what it meant was the above mentioned more diligent guards and it was meant to say "People will still get more paranoid and afraid of crime, even if they never saw you do it"

[AfLIcTeD]

I don't think that they are annoyed at you personally. They are just annoyed and probably don't trust anyone. Just think, if you got robbed you would be pretty pissed off and be in a bad mood with some people weather they did it or not?
Some people don't seem to understand this mechanic though and they automatically assume it's a bug.

[Metadragon]

Spit checks are trivial. Throw them 18 groshen and walk to the nearest miller qnd sell your loot for 1000 or whatever. Maybe its related to my problem where some questgivers tell me to ♥♥♥♥ off when i ask then even though ive never been caught and my rep woth everyone is 50+ except merchants which are at 48 since i failed a few early barter things.

[Arndell]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Spit checks are trivial. Throw them 18 groshen and walk to the nearest miller qnd sell your loot for 1000 or whatever. Maybe its related to my problem where some questgivers tell me to ♥♥♥♥ off when i ask then even though ive never been caught and my rep woth everyone is 50+ except merchants which are at 48 since i failed a few early barter things.

i'm going to assume that wears off if you stop committing crimes in a town for a few days / weeks in game.

I'm assuming this simply because if this was not the case, the whole game would eventually be unworkable for people who play as a thief with every town paranoid, unwilling to give quests and constant guard checks.

So it simply must die down I doubt the devs made the game in such a way that the thieving mechanics are designed to stop thieving being viable and lock out side quests.

[pks]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

some questgivers tell me to ♥♥♥♥ off when i ask then even though ive never been caught

There was a bug with Kuttenberg executioner quest - merely touching executioner's rope or sword destroyed your reputation with Rattay bailiff

But this is a pretty specific bug

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by pks:

Originally posted by Metadragon:

some questgivers tell me to ♥♥♥♥ off when i ask then even though ive never been caught

There was a bug with Kuttenberg executioner quest - merely touching executioner's rope or sword destroyed your reputation with Rattay bailiff

But this is a pretty specific bug

Idk. I didnt take anything like that. I just know the bailiff and a few pub owners have the nice little exclamation mark for a potential quest and just tell me off. Bernard gives me his sidequest type thing though to kill bandits. I'm only at the horse farm raid though.

Like I said my reputation is in the 50-70s range except merchants which at currently at 48 because i lowballed way too hard at the beginning of the game and am just recovering. Maybe the pub guys are linked to that.

[Celtic Frost]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

I don't think that they are annoyed at you personally. They are just annoyed and probably don't trust anyone. Just think, if you got robbed you would be pretty pissed off and be in a bad mood with some people weather they did it or not?
Some people don't seem to understand this mechanic though and they automatically assume it's a bug.

I believe this is correct too. It's a karmic affect.. 'hand of god' in your actions so to speak.

[Arndell]

Originally posted by Celtic Frost:

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

I don't think that they are annoyed at you personally. They are just annoyed and probably don't trust anyone. Just think, if you got robbed you would be pretty pissed off and be in a bad mood with some people weather they did it or not?
Some people don't seem to understand this mechanic though and they automatically assume it's a bug.

I believe this is correct too. It's a karmic affect.. 'hand of god' in your actions so to speak.

Not sure if I can confirm anything as progression of "Karma" may be linked to main quest progress.

But I went full crazy on lockpicking, level 6 before leaving Skalitz, 10 before leaving Talmberg and topped it up to 15 in Rattay, so I have been able to rob the weaponsmith, armorer, tailor for 5,5k per day between them and occationally I do, so I pointlessly have 20k right now, but no reason to spend it as i can and do simply steal whatever I need from those same shops.

I did however notice every church has a donation box that asks for 100 grochen and naturally as I have surplus money, i drop 100 in every time and give to beggars etc, any moral choice to give money, I go for.

Guards do check me every time i enter Rattay, sometimes multiple times, but they just ask for 20g which is nothing, so I often "haggle" them up to taking 23 from me, which may give me the occational +1 rep with the guards if i do it enough times.


Anyway, i have been playing for 10 hours with this serial kleptomaniac mindset, but have also been as charitable as possible and "haggle" up to max price possible the few times I do actually buy an item and all people do Is love Henry, the guards even like me enough at 60 rep for me to pass the speech check for them to let me go, but I opt not to for the above reasons of "maintaining relations"

[Celtic Frost]

Originally posted by Arndell:

Originally posted by Celtic Frost:

I believe this is correct too. It's a karmic affect.. 'hand of god' in your actions so to speak.

Not sure if I can confirm anything as progression of "Karma" may be linked to main quest progress.

But I went full crazy on lockpicking, level 6 before leaving Skalitz, 10 before leaving Talmberg and topped it up to 15 in Rattay, so I have been able to rob the weaponsmith, armorer, tailor for 5,5k per day between them and occationally I do, so I pointlessly have 20k right now, but no reason to spend it as i can and do simply steal whatever I need from those same shops.

I did however notice every church has a donation box that asks for 100 grochen and naturally as I have surplus money, i drop 100 in every time and give to beggars etc, any moral choice to give money, I go for.

Guards do check me every time i enter Rattay, sometimes multiple times, but they just ask for 20g which is nothing, so I often "haggle" them up to taking 23 from me, which may give me the occational +1 rep with the guards if i do it enough times.


Anyway, i have been playing for 10 hours with this serial kleptomaniac mindset, but have also been as charitable as possible and "haggle" up to max price possible the few times I do actually buy an item and all people do Is love Henry, the guards even like me enough at 60 rep for me to pass the speech check for them to let me go, but I opt not to for the above reasons of "maintaining relations"

I am speaking of the Karmic affect as it applies to the real world.. not as some mechanic in the game like they had in Fallout 3.