whats considered light armour?

[mdcpaladin]

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would chainmail fall under light? or just heavy clothing armour. been wanting to do a light fighter so no plate armor. and while im asking what helmets would be plate? all metal hewlmets or is a kettle hat light?

[Chikuwu]

Not wearing plate armor in plate armor slots.

Arm plates seemingly dont count as plate armor.

[mdcpaladin]

Originally posted by Pingviini:

Not wearing plate armor in plate armor slots.

Arm plates seemingly dont count as plate armor.

so if a "plate"slot isnt filled its not plate armor?

[Greywander]

If you're talking about the Agility perk, I believe it specifies anything that isn't plate armor.

To be honest, I'm not sure I care for this definition of "light armor". A brigandine seems like it would be light armor (and finds its way into many fantasy settings under the misnomer "studded leather"), but it's plate armor. And yes, it is plate armor, but it's about as light as you can get with plate armor.

Personally, I'd be more likely to consider a brigandine to be light armor than a chain hauberk, and yet the game would qualify the latter for the perk, but not the former.

[Greywander]

Originally posted by Wyatt Mann:

so if a "plate"slot isnt filled its not plate armor?

Right, as long as you don't have anything in the plate armor slot, you should qualify for the perk.

At least, that's how I understand it. I'm still new to KCD, and I've recently played Dragon's Dogma which had some very misleading tooltips. I know the Human Dustbin perk is a bit misleading, as all it does is make it so you don't get food poisoning from spoiled food, it still gives you nutrition.

[Chikuwu]

Originally posted by Greywander:

If you're talking about the Agility perk, I believe it specifies anything that isn't plate armor.

To be honest, I'm not sure I care for this definition of "light armor". A brigandine seems like it would be light armor (and finds its way into many fantasy settings under the misnomer "studded leather"), but it's plate armor. And yes, it is plate armor, but it's about as light as you can get with plate armor.

Personally, I'd be more likely to consider a brigandine to be light armor than a chain hauberk, and yet the game would qualify the latter for the perk, but not the former.

Chain hauberk actually is light armor. It weights about the same as a padded armor irl and its used in conjunction, doesnt do anything against a blunt blow, and padded brigandine is usually worn under it in the 1100s-->1600s.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by Greywander:

Originally posted by Wyatt Mann:

so if a "plate"slot isnt filled its not plate armor?

Right, as long as you don't have anything in the plate armor slot, you should qualify for the perk.

At least, that's how I understand it. I'm still new to KCD, and I've recently played Dragon's Dogma which had some very misleading tooltips. I know the Human Dustbin perk is a bit misleading, as all it does is make it so you don't get food poisoning from spoiled food, it still gives you nutrition.

I would not be so quick to come to that conclusion as far as slot. After all, a leather vest, in no way is plate, yet equips to same slot as a plate cuirass.

[mdcpaladin]

thx for the replies

[CloudSeeker]

To be honest, I never bother with light armor. You will get hit anyway so the difference is that when you are hit in light armor you take damage, while in heavy armor you do not. Kind of like having a basic leather jacket vs power armor in Fallout 1-2.

[mdcpaladin]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

To be honest, I never bother with light armor. You will get hit anyway so the difference is that when you are hit in light armor you take damage, while in heavy armor you do not. Kind of like having a basic leather jacket vs power armor in Fallout 1-2.

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[mdcpaladin]

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

Originally posted by Greywander:

Right, as long as you don't have anything in the plate armor slot, you should qualify for the perk.

At least, that's how I understand it. I'm still new to KCD, and I've recently played Dragon's Dogma which had some very misleading tooltips. I know the Human Dustbin perk is a bit misleading, as all it does is make it so you don't get food poisoning from spoiled food, it still gives you nutrition.

I would not be so quick to come to that conclusion as far as slot. After all, a leather vest, in no way is plate, yet equips to same slot as a plate cuirass.

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speaking of that ive found helmets count as plate and i lose the perk. idk if its any metal helmet. ill have to try them as i find therm

[Greywander]

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

I would not be so quick to come to that conclusion as far as slot. After all, a leather vest, in no way is plate, yet equips to same slot as a plate cuirass.

Actually, I remember seeing a video looking at historical examples of leather armor (I want to say it was Shadiversity), and the conclusion he came to was that leather was actually used more as a replacement for plate armor, not cloth armor like a gambeson (which is how leather armor is usally portrayed in fiction). Keep in mind this is probably hardened (boiled) leather, not the soft, flexible leather we mostly use today. Even then, though, usually a knight would have a metal breastplate, with auxillary pieces like arm armor made from leather. At least, that's what I remember.

Originally posted by Pingviini:

Chain hauberk actually is light armor. It weights about the same as a padded armor irl and its used in conjunction, doesnt do anything against a blunt blow, and padded brigandine is usually worn under it in the 1100s-->1600s.

Interesting! I suppose it would depend on the hauberk, I'm sure some were probably heavier, but it seems a lot of historical weapons and armor end up being a lot lighter than they are portrayed in popular fiction. This means that a lot of people, myself included, end up with skewed preconceptions about them.

One could also argue that mail allows one to move freely, therefore making it easier to dodge. Even then, though, full plate wasn't as restrictive as popular fiction portrays it, with fully armored knights being able to do gymnastics. Jousting armor is a bit of a different story, as it was intended entirely for sport rather than war. As for brigandines, they'd be even more flexible than full plate, of course, but probably a bit more restrictive than mail.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by Greywander:

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

I would not be so quick to come to that conclusion as far as slot. After all, a leather vest, in no way is plate, yet equips to same slot as a plate cuirass.

Actually, I remember seeing a video looking at historical examples of leather armor (I want to say it was Shadiversity), and the conclusion he came to was that leather was actually used more as a replacement for plate armor, not cloth armor like a gambeson (which is how leather armor is usally portrayed in fiction). Keep in mind this is probably hardened (boiled) leather, not the soft, flexible leather we mostly use today. Even then, though, usually a knight would have a metal breastplate, with auxillary pieces like arm armor made from leather. At least, that's what I remember.

Apples and oranges. I was literally talking about the commonly taken off what one would considered unarmored bandits, black leather vest in game. Not any piece of actual leather armor.

It was example of what is basically a clothing item (with it providing less protection then most pieces of clothing), which equips to same slot as cuirasses.