Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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max.strauss May 24, 2022 @ 8:13am
Bloody Repair Attempt
Henry , a master repairman (Repair skill 20), tries to get the blood off his favorite weapon but is thrown back hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vaq-zDeTk

Can someone explain this?
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DargonBlak May 24, 2022 @ 8:53am 
Sharpening is one of the most non-intuitive (and thus completely stupid) design flaws of the game - and even though i installed the "Easy Sharpening" mod, and have spent several tries to learn the method (even watching a video), i still manage to hack it up - so i completely avoid it as a total waste of time (it's honestly unnecessary).

Besides, you don't "Sharpen" a weapon to clean the blood off - you simply wipe it down and clean it with some oil. Complete nonsense.

Fortunately for me, there is a Wash Tub in the KCD Architect mod that Cleans Everything - Perfectly, including all weapons and gear in your backpack. So, for "realism" i build some laundry/wash stations at the Inns (& Mill), and simply use those. E-z P-z

So, how do i explain it ? It's a completely broken, poorly designed piece of crap.
Last edited by DargonBlak; May 24, 2022 @ 8:55am
vaanomega May 24, 2022 @ 9:29am 
Originally posted by DargonBlak:
Sharpening is one of the most non-intuitive (and thus completely stupid) design flaws of the game - and even though i installed the "Easy Sharpening" mod, and have spent several tries to learn the method (even watching a video), i still manage to hack it up - so i completely avoid it as a total waste of time (it's honestly unnecessary).

Besides, you don't "Sharpen" a weapon to clean the blood off - you simply wipe it down and clean it with some oil. Complete nonsense.

Fortunately for me, there is a Wash Tub in the KCD Architect mod that Cleans Everything - Perfectly, including all weapons and gear in your backpack. So, for "realism" i build some laundry/wash stations at the Inns (& Mill), and simply use those. E-z P-z

So, how do i explain it ? It's a completely broken, poorly designed piece of crap.

Is it really tho ? It felt very intuitive to me, i learned it pretty fast, without any external sources, i can easily make my weapons up to 100% even in my new playthrough where i'm low level
mr.tajny May 24, 2022 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by DargonBlak:
Sharpening is one of the most non-intuitive (and thus completely stupid) design flaws of the game... It's a completely broken, poorly designed piece of crap.

Actually quite opposite. Never had any troubles getting anything grindable to 100 health with max two tries. Im sorry that youre uncapable of this. Just accept your incompetence and dont talk BS. After all, youre right that its unnecessary;)
Wapons cleaning is different thing, but i feel its made this way to not go too deep and to not create a weapon maintenance simulator.
Definitely MODs FTW and to each his own;)
T9 May 24, 2022 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by vaanomega:
Originally posted by DargonBlak:
Sharpening is one of the most non-intuitive (and thus completely stupid) design flaws of the game - and even though i installed the "Easy Sharpening" mod, and have spent several tries to learn the method (even watching a video), i still manage to hack it up - so i completely avoid it as a total waste of time (it's honestly unnecessary).

Besides, you don't "Sharpen" a weapon to clean the blood off - you simply wipe it down and clean it with some oil. Complete nonsense.

Fortunately for me, there is a Wash Tub in the KCD Architect mod that Cleans Everything - Perfectly, including all weapons and gear in your backpack. So, for "realism" i build some laundry/wash stations at the Inns (& Mill), and simply use those. E-z P-z

So, how do i explain it ? It's a completely broken, poorly designed piece of crap.

Is it really tho ? It felt very intuitive to me, i learned it pretty fast, without any external sources, i can easily make my weapons up to 100% even in my new playthrough where i'm low level
It's simple u get it immediately looking at the controls. Even a kid could do it
Spawnling May 24, 2022 @ 12:13pm 
So far nobody watched the video and tried to explain what happened, gj.

Originally posted by max.strauss:
Henry , a master repairman (Repair skill 20), tries to get the blood off his favorite weapon but is thrown back hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vaq-zDeTk

Can someone explain this?

It's a bug:
-You held the Sword at a wrong angle, but never started the sharpening process.
-The game acted as if you did try to sharpen it at this angle.
-Your blade is now dull.
-The blood is still on the blade, as removing it would require you to start the sharpening process.

Edit: bug possibility 2:
Your blade already had lowered stats after combat, but the game never updated the numbers.
Going to the grindstone and taking out the blade forced an update.
Now you're shown the correct durability.
Last edited by Spawnling; May 24, 2022 @ 12:17pm
wjpower2003 May 24, 2022 @ 12:19pm 
I'm really confused by that video. It just looked like you sat down at the grinding wheel, did nothing and then stood up. I was expecting something.
Spawnling May 24, 2022 @ 12:20pm 
Originally posted by wjpower2003:
I'm really confused by that video. It just looked like you sat down at the grinding wheel, did nothing and then stood up. I was expecting something.
The durability went down from 100 to 2
DargonBlak May 24, 2022 @ 12:31pm 
Originally posted by Spawnling:
So far nobody watched the video and tried to explain what happened, gj.

Yup - amazing how folks are more easily motivated by disagreement than by an interest to provide help.
vaanomega May 24, 2022 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by DargonBlak:
Originally posted by Spawnling:
So far nobody watched the video and tried to explain what happened, gj.

Yup - amazing how folks are more easily motivated by disagreement than by an interest to provide help.

Well, i though it was a bug and that the OP was aware of it as a bug and was making a joke about Henry being a master and still able to break his sword without even doing anything
White Knight May 24, 2022 @ 1:08pm 
Well, I also find the grinding wheel to be quite frustrating.
Not to this degree, and not that it's a problem, but still annoying.
There doesn't seem to be anything "realistic" about it, just an annoying mechanic that we have to figure out.

As such, after several playthroughs (always sharpening all of the gear I've looted/stolen to increase profits and max out maintenance), I still find it a mystery to know what the devs expect from us?

Clearly my game works differently than the masterful weapon sharpeners in here who never had any difficulty with the process, but in my hands (skill 20), my weapons jump randomly to absurd degrees. Getting them to 100 is almost impossible sometimes, depending upon what the game decides it wants to do? Then I take a break and the next time I find a grinding wheel, the process is effortless?

In my mind, grinding is as weird as gambling in this game - sometimes the game just decides that you are going to be frustrated, and there's nothing the player can do about it beyond walking away and trying again later.

Take sparks as one example: It's so satisfying throw sparks and know that your weapons are getting better and more valuable. Trouble is, half of the time, there are no sparks at all? After all these hours trying to get better at the process, I've simply learned to ignore the sparks entirely, and just go by feel and timing. It sure is nice when it works correctly though.
Last edited by White Knight; May 24, 2022 @ 1:30pm
The mechanics of grinding are easy, but at times annoying. It's nigh-on impssible to move the blade left-to-right while not changing the angle. It just takes a lot of practice and once in a while you need several attempts. But all in all it is worth investing the effort, because you can repair weapons from pretty bad damage to 100% easily and for free which is a brilliant money maker in the early game.

Also, don't try to get it to 100% every time. Try reaching the high 90%s and do the rest with a repair kit. Saves a lot of frustration.
doug May 24, 2022 @ 5:32pm 
Originally posted by mr.tajny:
Im sorry that youre uncapable of this. Just accept your incompetence and dont talk BS. After all, youre right that its unnecessary;)

Originally posted by t9:
It's simple u get it immediately looking at the controls. Even a kid could do it
Is any of this necessary? You know you can disagree without being condescending and trying to bait people into an argument?

Let me try this again, but I'll comment with the same attitude you both decided was appropriate:

Originally posted by mr.tajny:
Im sorry that youre uncapable of this. Just accept your incompetence and dont talk BS. After all, youre right that its unnecessary;)

Originally posted by t9:
It's simple u get it immediately looking at the controls. Even a kid could do it
Is any of this necessary? You know you can disagree without being condescending and trying to bait people into an argument? I'm sorry for whatever is going on with you psychologically that compels you to try to start a fight over something so completely inconsequential. I'm sorry you feel so small and insignificant in your lives that you need to profess your superior skills in digital weapon maintenance by insulting other people. You know you can comment without doing any of this right? It's so easy even a kid could do it, so why can't you?
mr.tajny May 24, 2022 @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by CookedKen:
Originally posted by mr.tajny:
Im sorry that youre uncapable of this. Just accept your incompetence and dont talk BS. After all, youre right that its unnecessary;)

Is any of this necessary? You know you can disagree without being condescending and trying to bait people into an argument?

Well, im sorry again, that some ppl take simple sign of disagreement as a bait into an argument. I rly tried to formulate it so it sounds friendly. Even used an emoticon as a hint and ended the sentence with clear agreement followed with two other agree senteces.
It just makes me kind of sad, that opposing someones clearly untrue statement can lead to such toxic exchange.

Now check the difference of this:
Originally posted by DargonBlak:
Sharpening is one of the most non-intuitive (and thus completely stupid) design flaws of the game... It's a completely broken, poorly designed piece of crap.
and this:
Originally posted by Parrhesiastes:
Well, I also find the grinding wheel to be quite frustrating.
Not to this degree, and not that it's a problem, but still annoying.
There doesn't seem to be anything "realistic" about it, just an annoying mechanic that we have to figure out.
As such, after several playthroughs, I still find it a mystery to know what the devs expect from us?

The second quote even has a sign of polite question or maybe attempt to ask for help;)



However, back to the OPs question:

Originally posted by max.strauss:
Can someone explain this?

Yes, its a bug.
doug May 25, 2022 @ 12:15am 
Fair enough, must have misunderstood your intentions. If you are trying to express disagreement in a non-confrontational way, I would recommend not saying things like "just accept you incompetence and don't talk BS", because that really makes it seem like you're trying to insult people rather than express disagreement. But of course I can't tell you how to live your life.
max.strauss May 25, 2022 @ 12:44am 
Originally posted by Spawnling:
So far nobody watched the video and tried to explain what happened, gj.

Thx that you did it. I was about to give up. -)

Originally posted by Spawnling:
-You held the Sword at a wrong angle...

I didn't do anything (the game did it for me), but...

Originally posted by Spawnling:
The durability went down from 100 to 2

Originally posted by Spawnling:
Your blade already had lowered stats after combat, but the game never updated the numbers.
Going to the grindstone and taking out the blade forced an update.
Now you're shown the correct durability.

Sounds plausible, but it's probably not the reason:

https://youtu.be/9AoZF45M0kM

Not that we misunderstand each other: with Repair Lvl 20 it is of course not difficult to remove the blood, and repairing weapons yourself also works well:

https://youtu.be/sMCxxGfc-EM

I was just looking for an answer to the question of whether attempting to repair a weapon the game is degrading the weapon's stats - or whether it was my own clumsiness that caused it. At least for me this question is solved.

Last edited by max.strauss; May 25, 2022 @ 12:46am
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