Overly long intro

[Duncan]

So, for all the trolls out there, I will put this up front. The issue is with me. I've watched the videos, done the internet research. I know what to do, and the 'techniques' for doing so, but I just can't get the hang of the interface and so I'm stuck at the introduction. I managed to get past the part where you get shot with the arrow and start bleeding to death ONE time. I can't get past the interface for sword fighting (brand new high level PC with a 2080 video card). It's not the hardware, it's not the software, it's me. Feel free to make all the comments you want, as I know how you trolls like to pile on.

However, to the point of my post. Steam will not allow a refund if you've run the game for 2 hours. Well, I spent more than 2 hours getting to the cut scene with the arrow the first time and then spent several hours trying to get past that point. By the time I came to the conclusion I (myself, personally) am not capable of playing this game, I'd spent 8 hours and they turned my refund request down.

I've gone back, tried again for another 4 hours, still can't get the hang of this game. I've asked for a refund again. I'm sure it will be turned down again.

So, just commenting that it's a sad thing that an intro lasts so long that you can't get a refund before you can run through the intro even one time.

Buyers - beware.

[theo]

The introduction part is indeed unusually long, I can feel your pain.
But this isn't a bad thing in my opinion and I hope game devs will never start 'adjusting' their games to steam refunding rules or to any other 'standards'.
Also I'd recommend you to give the game a second chance some time because if you'll manage to get past 2 places where fighting is required, then it's avoidable for the most part. Like, I always thought magic is annoying and boring in fantasy RPGs, but being RPGs, they allowed me to play non-magic characters so I enjoyed them. Same here.

[Andreas]

Originally posted by Duncan:

So, for all the trolls out there, I will put this up front. The issue is with me. I've watched the videos, done the internet research. I know what to do, and the 'techniques' for doing so, but I just can't get the hang of the interface and so I'm stuck at the introduction. I managed to get past the part where you get shot with the arrow and start bleeding to death ONE time. I can't get past the interface for sword fighting (brand new high level PC with a 2080 video card). It's not the hardware, it's not the software, it's me. Feel free to make all the comments you want, as I know how you trolls like to pile on.

However, to the point of my post. Steam will not allow a refund if you've run the game for 2 hours. Well, I spent more than 2 hours getting to the cut scene with the arrow the first time and then spent several hours trying to get past that point. By the time I came to the conclusion I (myself, personally) am not capable of playing this game, I'd spent 8 hours and they turned my refund request down.

I've gone back, tried again for another 4 hours, still can't get the hang of this game. I've asked for a refund again. I'm sure it will be turned down again.

So, just commenting that it's a sad thing that an intro lasts so long that you can't get a refund before you can run through the intro even one time.

Buyers - beware.

The game becomes easy after you level up your skills etc. I haven't had any issue with the game in any way. Combat is pretty good, interface is decent..

Unfortunately you can't refund after 2 hours. Maybe next time make sure you are 100% sure you can play the game (either difficulty) or technical before purchase.

I don't know what the issue is that you are having..

[Duncan]

"Unfortunately you can't refund after 2 hours. Maybe next time make sure you are 100% sure you can play the game (either difficulty) or technical before purchase. "

That's kind of impossible isn't it? Until you actuall play the game, how can you tell? In this case, I made a mistake and bought the game and DLC based on all the positive things I saw about the game. And, other than I can't seem to physically get the hang of it, the game seems to be good. I'm just not making the transition on the interface.

Hence, buyers beware, 2 hours isn't enough time to learn the interface, but that's the time limit steam enforces.

Not sure if I'll be buying any more games on steam.

I guess the solution is to level up in the intro? But, I'm bored to death at this point and can't seem to advance. I'm the issue, no doubt about it as others are enjoying the game, but I'm done with it.

[YOGI]

Uh huh Snowmans right...Your OVER the hard Learning part..now USE what you learned in Little Steps...if you are feeling frustrated, take a break. go do something else. This game has a Story line...dont TRY to rush it like other RPG's....KCD plays differently as you witnessed. You also have 6 other saves...and YES each one of em starts at the very same place at the beggining. POINT IS...go get the HORSE(YEP its a game spoiler) KCD gameplay "CHANGES" dramatically once you get a Horse and start exploring....Another "HINT!" for you...Theres ONLY a few time Sensitive quests..so..once you get a Horse...explore to your Hearts content...BUT Make daily saves...and SAVE before you decide to do a quest...Im of the Mind you didn't use the "Saviour Snapps" this way? Dont get frustrated...KCD plays differently...that "Learing Curve" was a steep one..

[Duncan]

I get to the part where you have to ride the horse after being hit with the Cuman arrow. Then I die. I repeat the sequence. I do. I repeat the sequence for hours, and I die.

None of the really nice things about KCD are accessible to me as I die before I get out of the introduction.

After 12 hours of trying, I'm not "rage" quitting, I just have to face the reality that I can't figure the interface out.

This game "SHOULD" be an all time favorite for me. I'm sitting next to a a full suit of chain mail armor, and a brigandine suit of armor (1400's replica). I have a museum quality replica broadsword, also based on the 1400's and likewise, a hand and a half sword. I've ridden a horse in full armor, and I have a replica 1400's bascinet.

I took up modern fencing relatively recently, and just earned my first rating. So, I have quick reflexes, and I know what its like to actually fight with 1400's era replica armor and weapons.

The issue is I just can't get past the interface. I don't see anything wrong with the game mechanics. I just can't survive that first horse ride, and by the time it occurs, I had over 2 hours into the game.

And, there doesn't seem to be a way to bind the keyboard differently for the way the gallop works, so, looks like I wasted my money on this game. I don't think it's an issue with the game, just that I, myself, personally, can't get the interface down.

[CloudSeeker]

0. I don't know why you are mentioning your GPU, but whatever.

1. It really shouldn't take 2 hours to get to the attack unless you are really doing everything but what you are supposed to do. I only get that when I start the game picking every flower and lockpicking every lock. You are only the halfway point through the tutorial and you for some reason spend 2-4 hour on it? You do know you can complete this game without killing anyone right?

2. This game has a long intro yes, but its an RPG that has a big learning curve. I play D&D as a DM. Do you know how long it took me to get into the game? 9 months, that is how long it took and I am still not knowledgeable about the Gods and what they represent.

3. The intro is long yes, but I like it since it allow for so much rollplay. You can actually start as a mischief child that go around beating people up and stealing their stuff. You can go around picking flowers like a herbalist. You can spend all your money on alcohol and become a drunk. When you escape the castle even going to jail will help you complete it since they will throw you out after you served your time.

4. The problem with RPG's is that they are not for everyone. The harder they are to pick up the better they tend to be, but few people will be able to play them. Games like Skyrim, Fallout 4, Witcher 2 or 3 and so on are easy to pick up but they become almost so easy they lose what makes them an RPG. I should say that Skyrim and Fallout 4 are not even RPG's at this point. If you don't like RPG's, well you do you. But if you are going to say that the intro is bad because you can't spend the time to get into how the game work I kind of get the feeling you are just not someone that like RPG's.

[hamtgerry]

I too had a lot of problem with that first Skalitz escape horse ride. Just couldn't get the hang of the game's PC horse control system. After frustration over repeated failures I hit on a solution that let me complete the run on my first try. What I did is use the keyboard ARROW KEYS with my right hand for directional movement, and confined my left hand for speed control only. Worked perfectly. Didn't have a lick of trouble controling the horse. I've used this system for horse riding ever since. The down side is of course that, without access to the mouse, you can't look around while riding. So it's not perfect. But...I find it a welcome lesser of evils for someone like myself who is uncomfortable with the default control system.

[SalWithAnH]

I struggled with the escape the first time because the game isn't clear about the distinction between a cantor and gallop until later on. Overall I think this game conveys information poorly but is very worth your time to figure out if you’re even a little interested in the premise, which it sounds like you are.

Try the following if it sounds helpful.

Once mounted, hold W and tap the Left Shift key twice. Continue to hold W at all times and Left Shift after the second tap.

Your horse will run out of Stamina before you get to safety and the Cumen will catch up to you but shouldn’t be able to overtake you as long as you’re galloping whenever you can. You should make it to Talmburg alive if you’re generally keeping to the road, perhaps with some new arrow-holes, but alive.

[HercDaMerc]

Are you playing with a controller?

I would not be able to play this with a keyboard. I play with a PS3 controller. You can use PS4 or Xbox, etc.

[theo]

Ah I see. People say the game is meant to be played with a controller because they're used to play other games with a controller and can't use all fingers on their left hand effectively when playing with a keyboard. Now it makes sense, but I wonder how these people play games that have lots of hotkeys. Or musical instruments.

[HercDaMerc]

Originally posted by Sasau Cat:

Ah I see. People say the game is meant to be played with a controller because they're used to play other games with a controller and can't use all fingers on their left hand effectively when playing with a keyboard. Now it makes sense, but I wonder how these people play games that have lots of hotkeys. Or musical instruments.

I play with KBM, also, troll.

I just prefer a controller on this game, and if he is having trouble playing it, then it can't hurt to try a different method of playing it.

[Duncan]

I'm using my left hand, that's not the issue (semi-ambidextous person here). I did spend some time in the game to listen and interact with the various townsfolk, and I did pick herbs, and also based on a video I watched, I tried my hand at knocking people out and getting some goods.

I haven't killed anyone in the game. I haven't been able to knock any of the guards out. So, when the part of the intro comes up where there's a Cuman foot soldier, I can't beat him. But, I can run away. I can do all the intro up to the part after I've been shot with an arrow.

Apparently this part of the game is much easier with a controller, but I don't have one, and not that interested in spending more money on this game at this point.

The suggestion about using the left and right arrow keys is new information for me. Given Steam probably won't give me a refund, I'll try that next weekend.

At this point, I'm bored to death with the things I know how to do, and I've really lost interest in the game over the horse issue. Not really interested in doing the intro over yet again, and totally burned out on dying repeatedly over the horse issue.

So, current plans...not planning on buying another game in the near future, but the next game I buy will be over the counter. Games with mandatory intro's that easily take over 2 hours to complete aren't really compatible with Steams 2 hours max limit on refunds, especially games with mandatory deaths if you can't figure out the last step of the intro.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Duncan:

I haven't killed anyone in the game. I haven't been able to knock any of the guards out. So, when the part of the intro comes up where there's a Cuman foot soldier, I can't beat him. But, I can run away. I can do all the intro up to the part after I've been shot with an arrow.

Yes. At that point you are SUPPOSED TO RUN. The mission is even named "RUN!". When you get shot by the arrow you have to gallop to Talmberg to escape your pursuers. It is literally straight ahead and you even get directions. Did you forget that you need to gallop and not walk? You are not supposed to knock out any guards or cummans at this point of the game.

[hamtgerry]

ADDITION to my earlier input: Not only left and right arrow keys, but the foward (up) key too. (And back/down when needed.)

[Lutty]

Its perfect as it is.