At your service my lady questions

[ShroudedSlayer]

So I went through all the work of getting all the items in the best possible way for this quest but the only way to get a reward is to sleep with lady Stephanie. If I refuse to I get nothing and lose influence. Please tell me there's a way to get a reward without sleeping with her.

Thanks for the help. Truly incredible game.

[Bukkfrig]

I just did this, and I was pretty surprised at how this game seems to, given an inch, run a mile.

I mean, just the other day I agreed to have a single drink in the pub with a guy I was trying to butter up for info, and apparently that meant to go on a bender and have sex with strangers.

Then today, I agreed to trying on a shirt behind a noblewoman's back, and apparently that means getting embroiled in a sex affair...

I mean, I don't particular mind these things, but I might have, if I had really bought into the whole Theresa thing.

[DargonBlak]

As Henry says, being of help to Lady Stephanie is thanks enough - no reward needed.

The fact that Lady Stephanie gets bent out of shape when Henry takes the Noble path, just proves that Lady Stephanie is a nut job and better avoided.

And note, i think it's a personal reputation loss with Lady Stephanie, not Talmberg as a whole.

[GrannYgraine]

KCD gives you options. Don't drink with Father Godwin. Find another way to get the info. It you sleep with Stephanie before you finish 'courtship' with Theresa you've not betrayed her.

[Four Little Diamonds]

Publicado originalmente por ygraineogf:

KCD gives you options. Don't drink with Father Godwin. Find another way to get the info. It you sleep with Stephanie before you finish 'courtship' with Theresa you've not betrayed her.

Well like what Bukkfrig was saying how agreeing to try on a shirt is also an agreement to consensual sex; their should be two options, one for the shirt, and one for the sex. The game is forcing them to be mutually exclusive.

[DargonBlak]

Publicado originalmente por Clown World:

Publicado originalmente por ygraineogf:

KCD gives you options. Don't drink with Father Godwin. Find another way to get the info. It you sleep with Stephanie before you finish 'courtship' with Theresa you've not betrayed her.

Well like what Bukkfrig was saying how agreeing to try on a shirt is also an agreement to consensual sex; their should be two options, one for the shirt, and one for the sex. The game is forcing them to be mutually exclusive.

to be honest, the shirt isn't much of a reward

and the offer from Lady Stephanie is singular - "shirt and sex" or "no shirt and no sex" - simple in a rather demented way.

So blame Lady Stephanie, don't blame the game ;)

[MacSuibhne]

Henry is 14 or 15 years old, Stephanie is slim, attractive, kind, and has a beautiful smile. Any dumb and hormone fueled red-blooded teen-ager would be hard pressed to refuse... IRL. lol

IMO...

[MacKaris]

Publicado originalmente por MacSuibhne:

Henry is 14 or 15 years old

At the baths you can get him a beard I wasn't able to grown until I was in my late twenties, and even without it he looks like someone in their early twenties rather than early teens. There seems to be a lot of debate about the character's age on the internets since it's not explicitly said anywhere in the game, but apparently a representative from the publisher has said he's '27ish'. That's seems a bit old, though, given that at the start of the game he's still living with his parents and is not married, and neither are any of his mates. I'd say it's pretty safe to assume he's definitely older than 14 or 15, though. Or can you image a 14 year old kid fighting a seasoned adult soldier and WINNING? I mean honestly? :D

[alka]

As mentioned, if the rather tame encounter with Stephanie is something you'd rather avoid, be careful what you get up to with Father Godwin and also with the 'witches' he points you to.

[MacSuibhne]

Publicado originalmente por MacKaris:

Publicado originalmente por MacSuibhne:

Henry is 14 or 15 years old

I'd say it's pretty safe to assume he's definitely older than 14 or 15, though. Or can you image a 14 year old kid fighting a seasoned adult soldier and WINNING? I mean honestly? :D

Henry is, by all accounts, the same age as Hans Capon and the real-life character of Hans Capon (Jan Ptacek) was 15 in 1403.

As for Henry taking on a seasoned adult warrior, no I don't expect him to win... esp. without training and experience. But that's on the player, not the devs or the game.

In the 15th century, children grew up fast and took on the same responsibilities as full grown men. They didn't get to be entitled children for as long as modern society allows/encourages.

[MacKaris]

Publicado originalmente por MacSuibhne:

Publicado originalmente por MacKaris:

I'd say it's pretty safe to assume he's definitely older than 14 or 15, though. Or can you image a 14 year old kid fighting a seasoned adult soldier and WINNING? I mean honestly? :D

Henry is, by all accounts, the same age as Hans Capon and the real-life character of Hans Capon (Jan Ptacek) was 15 in 1403.

As for Henry taking on a seasoned adult warrior, no I don't expect him to win... esp. without training and experience. But that's on the player, not the devs or the game.

In the 15th century, children grew up fast and took on the same responsibilities as full grown men. They didn't get to be entitled children for as long as modern society allows/encourages.

'By all accounts' meaning your imagination and really nothing else. Henry is not a historical character as far as I'm aware, and obviously a whole lot of artistic liberties have been taken even with the characters who are historical. Hans Capon obviously doesn't look 15 any more than Henry looks 14 or 15. Also neither of them act anything like 15 year-olds, not even by actual medieval standards. Had the developers wanted to make them look and feel like they're 15, they could have easily done that. But they didn't because they obviously saw that would set a very strict frame for the story telling. Leaving their ages undisclosed and portraying them only vaguely as young men doing young men stuff, was clearly a conscious design choice.

And 'without training and experience'; the time span of the game is 'few weeks', according to the dialogue between Capon and Henry at the end of the game. That already makes the game highly unrealistic. To transform from a child who's basically completely alien to any kind of combat into the nigh-invincible war machine Henry is at the end of the game would take years of rigorous training, not 'few weeks' of random adventuring. If Henry is without training and experience at the start of the game, he would still be without training and experience at the end of the game. By all accounts.

[MacSuibhne]

FWIW, my grandson is thirteen. He has a soft mustache and stands over 6 feet. One example.

Here's another (very short): https://steamcommunity.com/app/379430/discussions/0/1638675549010743310/?ctp=2#c1638675549014250211

On the other hand, no one knows how old Henry is. So my "by all accounts" is just as valid as yours... maybe more so.

But given that, it is possible I suppose, that Henry is actually (like some here seem to be) 35 years old and living with his parents.

[MacKaris]

Publicado originalmente por MacSuibhne:

FWIW, my grandson is thirteen. He has a soft mustache and stands over 6 feet. One example.

Here's another (very short): https://steamcommunity.com/app/379430/discussions/0/1638675549010743310/?ctp=2#c1638675549014250211

On the other hand, no one knows how old Henry is. So my "by all accounts" is just as valid as yours... maybe more so.

But given that, it is possible I suppose, that Henry is actually (like some here seem to be) 35 years old and living with his parents.

And if you posted a picture of your grandson, I bet something like 85% of all the people would be able to tell his age despite his 'soft moustache'.

And yes, quite a few people here could well be 35 and living with their parents. In Italy for example that's perfectly normal: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=494351#Geographical_differences

However like I said, had the developers wanted to make Henry and Capon look like 15 year-olds, they could have easily done so. Given how adamantly you're defending every single thing that is or isn't in the game, I find it a bit ironic you seem to be disregarding this fact in favour of your own made-up idea of the character's age.

[MacSuibhne]

Publicado originalmente por MacKaris:

However like I said, had the developers wanted to make Henry and Capon look like 15 year-olds, they could have easily done so.

I don't think you really understand... is it privilege? Or what?

Life in the 15th century wasn't as 'entitled' as it is now. A person could be 25 and look 65. A person could be 18 and have worms, hemophilia, consumption, brittle bones and nerve damage from trauma or disease that we rarely see today. Or just the work and the hardship and the lack of food could make a person look older than they were.

In this same time period, Henry of Monmouth, (age 16) was "in command of part of the English forces. He led his own army into Wales against Owain Glyndŵr and joined forces with his father to fight Henry "Hotspur" Percy at the Battle of Shrewsbury. It was there that the 16-year-old prince was almost killed by an arrow that became stuck in his face. An ordinary soldier might have died from such a wound."

Not my imagination, not "made-up." Historical fact.

[MacKaris]

Publicado originalmente por MacSuibhne:

Publicado originalmente por MacKaris:

However like I said, had the developers wanted to make Henry and Capon look like 15 year-olds, they could have easily done so.

I don't think you really understand... is it privilege? Or what?

Life in the 15th century wasn't as 'entitled' as it is now. A person could be 25 and look 65. A person could be 18 and have worms, hemophilia, consumption, brittle bones and nerve damage from trauma or disease that we rarely see today. Or just the work and the hardship and the lack of food could make a person look older than they were.

In this same time period, Henry of Monmouth, (age 16) was "in command of part of the English forces. He led his own army into Wales against Owain Glyndŵr and joined forces with his father to fight Henry "Hotspur" Percy at the Battle of Shrewsbury. It was there that the 16-year-old prince was almost killed by an arrow that became stuck in his face. An ordinary soldier might have died from such a wound."

Not my imagination, not "made-up." Historical fact.

Yeah and I bet he didn't look 27 like Henry and Capon do, he probably looked like he's 16 who's lost a lot of sleep. Sadly we don't know because there are no photos available. What we do have however is photos of people who actually are kids and yet have to fight in wars. They exist in a lot of 3rd world countries. They look like kids with guns. They don't magically start to look like they're 10-20 years older just because they've been through some hardship. There are plenty of accounts from WW2 for example, when the allied troops started to encounter the Volksturm levies who could be anything from 13 year old boys to men in their 60s, and almost every account I've seen makes a big issue of how it was shocking to see such young boys being used as the last line of defence. Clearly they didn't start to look 27 the moment they took up arms, and these would have nevertheless been people who have perhaps been working the fields from young age and taking responsibility, pretty much just like a medieval person would have.


"16-year-old prince was almost killed by an arrow that became stuck in his face. An ordinary soldier might have died from such a wound."

Well good for him he wasn't an ordinary soldier, but a PRINCE, which obviously gave him some super powers. :D ....the author probably meant to say he was extremely lucky, but through some bad wording managed to make it sound unintentionally silly.

[PafunaMT]

Well, they could have made them look 15, and they didn't. I'm fine with it. They certainly look in their 20s, probably early-mid 20s, which really makes them mannish boys in the end. I'm never certain anymore if folks in their early 20s are necessarily any wiser than their late-teen counterparts, but that may just be the old man in me talking. Out loud. Again.

As to why, who knows, a question for a developer.