impossible to win a fight

[germanse]

Very crap. You have no chance to win a fight at all. The enemy have amazing fantastic skills. But you are just a player who need 3 hits for blood and death. The enemy could take 10 or 20 bloody hits, no problem. The enemy is electronic programmed and unable to beat. Great game......

[Castyles]

Yeah. Group combat sucks if you want to have fun like in a duel.

Make use of stealth, archery, potions, poisons, the dog, the horse and the environment i.e. run and hide.

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by germanse:

You have no chance to win a fight at all.

With only 20+ hours in the game... and with all due respect... you have no idea what you're talking about. I suspect you have yet to train with Capt. Bernard.

The combat skills in this game have to be earned. You have to train Henry and you have to train yourself.

FWIW, I consistently take on up to 8 opponents at a time, on foot, me and Mutt alone. I love the combat 1v1 and 1vmany.

All that said, it will get easier and even a bit OP but it will never be guaranteed.

[GrannYgraine]

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

Originally posted by germanse:

You have no chance to win a fight at all.

With only 20+ hours in the game... and with all due respect... you have no idea what you're talking about. I suspect you have yet to train with Capt. Bernard.

The combat skills in this game have to be earned. You have to train Henry and you have to train yourself.

FWIW, I consistently take on up to 8 opponents at a time, on foot, me and Mutt alone. I love the combat 1v1 and 1vmany.

All that said, it will get easier and even a bit OP but it will never be guaranteed.

You're 100% right. I'm a mediocre fighter and I can still win group fights but only after practice, practice, practice. Oh and some potions and my warhound, Mutt.

[MF]

You aren't supposed to win at first. Would a real blacksmith's boy in 1403 stand a chance against someone who knows how to fight ? No. Think 'Peasant's Revolt'. How did that turn out ?

You have to train and hone your skills. It's incredibly rewarding and what makes this game special. Yeah yeah yeah I like Skyrim too, but this ain't Skyrim. You can't just go to the forge and make yourself better. You need to practice, and learn how to pick your fights extremely carefully. Be a sneaky bastard and learn to poison people. It's fun. Learn to make drugs and take them. After a hundred hours or more you'll be John Rambo, guaranteed. But no matter how good you get, you can always be pulled from your horse and swarmed by a bunch of nobody's. Think Agincourt.............

[Valden21]

Train, train, train, OP. That's all there is to it. The game's combat isn't Skyrim-style, and it's not trying to be Skyrim-style. Everything the enemy does? You can do that too, after you received training. Once you accept that victory is never assured, and that you'll get curb-stomped from time to time, the combat actually gets easier. As long as you practice, you WILL get better. It won't be quick, and it won't be noticeable at first, but it WILL happen; time and effort is all it takes.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by germanse:

Very crap. You have no chance to win a fight at all. The enemy have amazing fantastic skills. But you are just a player who need 3 hits for blood and death. The enemy could take 10 or 20 bloody hits, no problem. The enemy is electronic programmed and unable to beat. Great game......

For all the gusto from everyone else, i think we were all caught off guard once or twice when we were starting out in this game - it's an eye opener when you start the game as barely more than a peasant in rags and need to learn everything from scratch.

As some of us were told when we started, the game is well worth playing if you put in the effort to learn the mechanics - learn what works and what doesn't - and you will hopefully feel the sense of accomplishment we all share upon success.

Take nothing for granted - assume you can be killed if you are out numbered, out armored, out skilled, or just plain old make a mistake. Welcome to Kingdom Come. :)

[Philippe_at_bay]

Nah, the game is hopelessly bugged if you can't win fights when you're incompetent.

[NemesisLeon44]

Originally posted by MF:

You aren't supposed to win at first. Would a real blacksmith's boy in 1403 stand a chance against someone who knows how to fight ? No. Think 'Peasant's Revolt'. How did that turn out ?

You have to train and hone your skills. It's incredibly rewarding and what makes this game special. Yeah yeah yeah I like Skyrim too, but this ain't Skyrim. You can't just go to the forge and make yourself better. You need to practice, and learn how to pick your fights extremely carefully. Be a sneaky bastard and learn to poison people. It's fun. Learn to make drugs and take them. After a hundred hours or more you'll be John Rambo, guaranteed. But no matter how good you get, you can always be pulled from your horse and swarmed by a bunch of nobody's. Think Agincourt.............

you can get pretty tricky in skyrim if you use one-handed swords or daggers and judge the enemy distance and animations well lol. Then the other hand can use spells to control the fight further. Still nothing on KCD combat though.

Also, I'm loving the down-to-earth "practice practice" comments. Such honesty and realism.

[thekins]

No need to "practice" just counter when the enemy swings and honestly just give up on the idea that swinging at the enemy is a real option (nothing will ever land even with all skills at max trust me I purposely trained up all to near max and it wasnt your skill levels its the AIs ability to block/counter EVERYTHING....I even went so far as to have 1 version of me as a scrub and 1 at max skills and combat was the EXACT same 90% of all swings being shut down and counters winning fights in 1 or 2 swings.
learn master stroke or w/e and counter and GG you win every single fight

[Ragnaman]

The game starts only after like 4h, everything before training with Bernard is an "intro cutscene";
Only after you train with Bernard do you unlock free perks like perfect blocking and master strikes, which are CRITICAL to melee combad in KCD.

The game kind of punishes you harshly for not playing it the way it is intended for the first few hours sadly, but hey, its a story about a blacksmith, not a rogue or a mercenary with 20y of exp.

[wjpower2003]

Wow 22 whole hours of gameplay. I guess all the occasions on which I've killed multiple enemies must have all been flukes.

[Jkapps]

I get that, its hyper realistic and you probably don't stand much of a chance fighting someone early but I'm doing the beginning quests and some of these guards are all seeing gods.

I need to find Marigold and bandages. I kept trying to stealth kill guards so I could just find the plants without sneaking the entire time. Removed all clothing to get my noise down. Crouched up to a guard. Right as I'm about to stealth kill. They turn around and non-stop 3 combo my ass to death. The dog, except for one instance has been completely useless with the sick-em command. Walks up to them and stands there. One time, I commanded him and he solo'd a guard. Can he just distract so I can get a single bow shot off...

The fact that I complete 2 chunks of the quest and then the last guard goes super saiyan on me. Forcing me to completely start over. Its like 15 mins wasted over and over again. Really missing the checkpoint type system right now. Hoping I get used to this. So I can enjoy the game.

The early combat is EXTREMELY unenjoyable right now tho.

Also, don't make the mistake of having your dog seen and then whistle to attack but he actually comes back. Guard will perma follow dog back to you and GG, you get beat to death. Cant even out run them. A naked chick carrying nothing being chased after by a man in full armor. Like sonic on your ass.

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by wjpower2003:

Wow 22 whole hours of gameplay. I guess all the occasions on which I've killed multiple enemies must have all been flukes.

If your experiences are at odds with the viewpoint expressed in the OP, it doesn't count. Probably a lie.

[Lumberfootz]

Originally posted by germanse:

The enemy is electronic programmed and unable to beat.

[Lieste]

Funny. I have killed over a thousand - with more completed combinatory devices than perfect parries ~ and an exchange rate of injury at an average of around 15:1... including many fights in 1 v many actions.

There is still a risk to every fight - management of space is critical, and failure can result in poor outcomes to a fight, but a typical fight is quite manageable from soon after the initial training with Bernard, and a limited amount of follow-up training.