Constantly suspicious townspeople - a possible fix?

[Morhaugn]

Hi all,

I've seen threads about this issue and run into it myself where townspeople NPCs tend to follow you around in broad daylight in areas you shouldn't have any problems being in (like the middle of a street or at a bath house), and they're like, "Anything else?" "What's going on?" "Jesus!" etc. and you can't talk to anyone as a result - you only get the option to pickpocket.

It's a longshot but didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet. If you park your horse within the area you're having the problem in, they freak out constantly. I couldn't figure out why the bath house women and random standard NPCs were all reacting like I was crouching. Finally decided to move my horse outside of their complex, and viola. They calmed down.

If this is happening to you without a horse, well... not sure then. Just a suggestion if you do have one and you did park it where they don't like it.

[vine]

what's your reputation in all those places? are you riding your horse through the streets, high speed, not caring if you hit anyone? cause that's a crime and people don't like that, neither do guards.

[calabacina]

as Sir Radzig shouted to me just yesterday: "learn to ride, imbecile!" maybe if he learned to "park" his horse away from mine... aah nobility nowadays...

[Humpenstilzchen]

It depends a lot on your choice of clothing, if you had a bath, former actions like if you were once caught stealing people and especially guards won´t trust you anymore and don´t forget you are a stranger there. People tend to be more sceptical towards strangers.

[PafunaMT]

So, about the horse - the 'aggro/visibility' radius is larger for a mount than Henry alone, even when standing alone and unmounted. For instance, if you leave your horse nearby a bandit camp, they will shout 'what's going on there?' and similar, even though Henry may be way out of aggro range, even on the other side of the camp.

The 'private property' zone in some areas also overlaps into travel ways like roads and paths. The pathway between the Sasau church and Sasau knacker's house is just such an area. If you ride through, you'll alarm the knacker and his wife, but if you dismount and stay on the farthest side of the road next to the church wall, you'll be fine.

That might explain some of the observed behavior, I hope.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Originally posted by PafunaMT:

That might explain some of the observed behavior, I hope.

I don´t think so.

I often ride through rattey and other towns and I have zero issues with people. As long as you don´t gallop full speed through the town and trample people there shouldn´t be a problem.

I asume the culprit in this case are the clothes. Any kind of dark clothes makes people suspicious about you.

[PafunaMT]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Originally posted by PafunaMT:

That might explain some of the observed behavior, I hope.

I don´t think so.

I often ride through rattey and other towns and I have zero issues with people. As long as you don´t gallop full speed through the town and trample people there shouldn´t be a problem.

I asume the culprit in this case are the clothes. Any kind of dark clothes makes people suspicious about you.

I'm more focused on the statements OP heard from the residents, such as "What's going on?", and "Jesus!". Those are alarm statements that warn the player they are in a place or doing an activity that indicate a player behavior, like trespassing, not the player's clothing choice. The clothing and appearance thing will affect dialog and outcomes from the dialog choices, like trading and selling, or when guards stop and search you.

[Elgar]

Originally posted by PafunaMT:

So, about the horse - the 'aggro/visibility' radius is larger for a mount than Henry alone, even when standing alone and unmounted. For instance, if you leave your horse nearby a bandit camp, they will shout 'what's going on there?' and similar, even though Henry may be way out of aggro range, even on the other side of the camp.

The 'private property' zone in some areas also overlaps into travel ways like roads and paths. The pathway between the Sasau church and Sasau knacker's house is just such an area. If you ride through, you'll alarm the knacker and his wife, but if you dismount and stay on the farthest side of the road next to the church wall, you'll be fine.

That might explain some of the observed behavior, I hope.

I fully agree. I can attest that it's exactly what I have been observing in my game.

[MacSuibhne]

FWIW, I have stopped my horse in the roadway and had npcs walk into it and then curse me vociferously and resentfully. I wasn't even moving. and only in their way because there was nowhere else I could be without bumping into some other pedestrian. But they had plenty of time to see me stopped dead in front of them and walk around but they didn't.

Sometimes i don't care if they get hurt or feel abused. Damn peasants--if they'd get off their damn phones and watch where they're going....

If you give one of the stall merchants and extra .1 groschen you'll get double reputation points and I figure that makes up for some medieval Mr. Magoo in the road.

[alation13]

The first response mentioned reputation. I have noticed if a crime wave happen in the town even if you are never seen or caught the guards and people all get more alert and.....well, on guard and tend to make those statements more often to you. The guards also will ask to search you more often. So to the OP, if you did just do some crimes, that is you most likely cause of the townsfolk being more suspicious.

[Morhaugn]

Originally posted by alation13:

So to the OP, if you did just do some crimes, that is you most likely cause of the townsfolk being more suspicious.

Well I try to keep a clean nose, as far as the general game population is aware, lol - although I did once kill some guy walking along the road by accidentally running him down with my horse, and eventually just went back and sat in jail for 7 days to clear my rep. But otherwise nah, it's not crime-based. I have the default rep or better in all towns, and the previous one happened at the bath house in Ledetchko on my first visit to the place, during the day, wearing almost nothing but the most basic outfit - visibility and conspicuousness were very low at that point.

I can't imagine the bath house being suspicious of me enough based on my clothing to warrant not servicing me either, since that's exactly what they're there for... to improve the look. So I do agree with PafunaMT regarding the reaction to clothing choice, I don't think that causes people to react that way. What's weird is I've seen this issue pop up in ways that really can't be explained, like I'll go to said bath house, talk to the lady about services, and then when I end the conversation, that's when everyone starts saying "What's going on?" and so on with their comments... and then all of a sudden, yeah, can't even talk to the same NPC I just ended the convo with.

I'll have to keep the horse aggro range idea in mind, though. I've still had the issue happen when my horse isn't directly on their property but is still nearby.

[alation13]

OK no worries, I just noticed when starting again and doing the first ring quest that people went from liking me to being rather nasty because I broke into the executioners house to steal it.

[STS]

@Morhaugn

From what you're saying I would guess you were in private places (which are not indicated in the open) and the one in Ledetchko was at the exact time when the bathhouse closes. I ran into this situation several times. You can can start a conversation during the opening hours and stop the conversation after it's closed. That would explain why they suddenly start acting like you're trespassing and you can't talk to the Bathmaid anymore.
For the Bathhouse in Rattay, I never have an issue if I leave the horse next to the cart infront of the Bathhouse, but if you go behind the wooden wall where the tents are, then you're trespassing again without the game showing you.

[LampeKing]

for anyone looking at this later, THIS IS DEFINITELY A BUG. my current opinion is that maybe during the Reeky quest in Ledetchko you can somehow?? switch the npcs to dog ai (follow player, do alert voice line) all thats worked for me is loading a save before i talked to the bath wench and tanner and so far im good. if i get the bug again i will try and see if they accept meat like a dog does.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well at the bath-house for example, there is that off-limits area that's not exactly marked off well compared to when NPCs start reacting to you and following you around as a result of being inside that off-limits area.

Also for me, this tends to happen simply when wearing "loud" armor. Since I often times stay fully geared up just in-case and forget to tone it down sometimes unless I really plan to do some sneaking around, pickpocket, lockpicking, sneak inside buildings/houses; etc, or if wanting to change armor/clothing for screenshot purposes and such. Otherwise I will often stay fully geared and anything above like 30-50 ish area is considered "loud". Even Theresa makes comments regarding how she could hear you coming a mile away with that armor on.

[Caramel_Clown]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Well at the bath-house for example, there is that off-limits area that's not exactly marked off well compared to when NPCs start reacting to you and following you around as a result of being inside that off-limits area.

Also for me, this tends to happen simply when wearing "loud" armor. Since I often times stay fully geared up just in-case and forget to tone it down sometimes unless I really plan to do some sneaking around, pickpocket, lockpicking, sneak inside buildings/houses; etc, or if wanting to change armor/clothing for screenshot purposes and such. Otherwise I will often stay fully geared and anything above like 30-50 ish area is considered "loud". Even Theresa makes comments regarding how she could hear you coming a mile away with that armor on.

Apart from some remarks people make about armor I've noticed zero difference in how you are treated wearing my full plate vs civilized clothing. It seems to be more of a roleplay thing. Unless you are sneaking, naturally.