[Spoiler] Game of throws

[MacSuibhne]

So this is the second time I've played through this part of the Capon DLC. In both cases, while trying to retrieve the necklace, I meet the guy at the river camp and agree to go to the bandits camp in the hills on the other side of the river. And I agree to see if I can find anything out about who killed his friend.

When I get there I enroll in the dice tourney to win the necklace. And a little while later (in the midst of the tourney) i get a summons from the camp leader. I talk to him a bit (in my disguise of Ser Anselm [?] ) but end up pleading fatigue and go back to the tourney for fear that someone else will win the necklace.

I win the dice tournament and get the key to the chest and by this time it is dark. Seeing a clear path out of camp , and not seeing any reason to negotiate with no idea of the objective or terms of the 'deal' ...and having the necklace in hand (quest completed)... I head back to Capon.

I have found out nothing about the murderer, not even a hint.

But by daylight i feel kind of like stuff was left undone and a little unsatisfied.

I've done this quest twice now and both times it comes out the same.

How do others play this? What did I miss? What did I not do?

[PafunaMT]

I've only managed to do this one a few different ways besides playing the tournament: pilfered the necklace out of the trunk (reeeeaallly hard to do), pickpocketed the winner of the tournament, followed the winner of the tournament out of the camp and robbed him, but all those avenues still don't really solve the murder mystery, and I haven't been able to really talk to anyone beyond the standard dialog options for all 4 dice players. The only guy I can reckon that could have done the deed was Pechuna, but he doesn't have any of the stuff on him: of course, he could have sold all that to the other guy(s), but still, it's just a guess.

It's one of the few quest chapters I really don't like, because it just seems that part was left... unfinished, I guess? In the end, I just play the tourney, get the necklace, and pickpocket the guy with the really cool red dice, because I like those dice.

[MacSuibhne]

Have you ever gone back to that camp? is it still there?

[PafunaMT]

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

Have you ever gone back to that camp? is it still there?

If you talk to Sir whats-his-name after you leave the camp, all the camp people have gone, but there are still a few random bandits there playing a dice game, and not much else to do, either.

One time I didn't go back to that guy who wanted revenge and that little quest item failed, but I ended up completing the entire DLC - well, lo and behold, the entire camp was still there, all the players and everything, long after I finished the quest. Was interesting to say the least.

[MacSuibhne]

Thanks...

[vine]

the murderer is the guy who has the brass/bronze dice, Alphonse's Dice. Anselm tells the story how they were ambushed by one guy, then group of bandits arrive, they finish the robbery and the one guy tags along with them, and they break open the camp nearby place of robbery. I don't remember the name of the robber, but he will have the story which in many parts will confirm what Anselm told you about the ambush. But the robber will paint a better picture for himself obviously.

The way i did the quest was plenty of Lullaby potions that went into the food pot before dice tournament. Hilarity ensued as everyone was yawning complaining how tired they are, but the tournament played out, i avoided the negotiations, shortened them i think, cause there's not much to achieve, then i was on to pick my prize from chest AND pay visit to all the sleeping meatbags around the camp. I wanted Alphonse's dice sooo bad :D And they're worth it.

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by Wonnie the Poop:

I wasn't able to enjoy dice game, because they had required too much money. Of course I have a lot on the mill, but I can't carry a sack of coin everywhere like Peshek with his flour. So I've killed them all, though I like dice and play it regularly despite I've got achievement long time ago.

Next time I'll be ready, nonetheless I'm going to steal necklace in any case.

Not sure I understand, AFAIK, groschen don't weigh anything.

I, myself, always have my entire stash on my person. At one point in time I have had well over 100K on me...no problem.

And I saw a video on YT where a fellow had well over a million in his inventory.

[PafunaMT]

Originally posted by vine:

the murderer is the guy who has the brass/bronze dice, Alphonse's Dice. Anselm tells the story how they were ambushed by one guy, then group of bandits arrive, they finish the robbery and the one guy tags along with them, and they break open the camp nearby place of robbery. I don't remember the name of the robber, but he will have the story which in many parts will confirm what Anselm told you about the ambush. But the robber will paint a better picture for himself obviously.

So, the guy you're referring to is Mladota, right? He has the dice, the boots, and the story of how was ambushed by a trader's hired guards while he tried to ambush the trader, only to get rescued by the bandit gang now running the camp.

But, my friend, you missed a critical detail: Mladota's story doesn't match with Sir Anselm's account of how his friend was traveling nor the evidence Henry examines around the camp where the body was found. Sir Anselm's trader friend was traveling alone, and he was killed in camp, probably while still sleeping, as that's where his body was found. Mladota explains that during his encounter with the trader he tried to ambush that the trader screamed out and his posse arrived, and Mladota was captured, at least until the bandit gang arrived and drove off the guards and sprung him. So, Mladota couldn't have killed the trader since he was alive when Mladota left him, plus Mladota says he didn't leave camp since getting rescued by the gang, so clearly it could not have been Mladota. Even if he's wearing the boots from the trader and has those fancy dice, his story still doesn't match the chain of events and the evidence.

If you talk to the other dice players, Noggin, Berta, and Pechuna, the only one who routinely leaves camp is Pechuna, and he travels back to Sasau. The dead trader's camp is on the way to Sasau, and Pechuna knows the area, too: he was the only one who had prior knowledge of the dice den ruins before the bandits moved in. He certainly had the means and of all the bandits, the only opportunity to kill the trader.

My theory is it was Pechuna, who having gotten his loot, returned to the dice den and ended up selling his loot to Mladota.

But that's must my own personal theory.

[vine]

Originally posted by PafunaMT:

Originally posted by vine:

the murderer is the guy who has the brass/bronze dice, Alphonse's Dice. Anselm tells the story how they were ambushed by one guy, then group of bandits arrive, they finish the robbery and the one guy tags along with them, and they break open the camp nearby place of robbery. I don't remember the name of the robber, but he will have the story which in many parts will confirm what Anselm told you about the ambush. But the robber will paint a better picture for himself obviously.

So, the guy you're referring to is Mladota, right? He has the dice, the boots, and the story of how was ambushed by a trader's hired guards while he tried to ambush the trader, only to get rescued by the bandit gang now running the camp.

But, my friend, you missed a critical detail: Mladota's story doesn't match with Sir Anselm's account of how his friend was traveling nor the evidence Henry examines around the camp where the body was found. Sir Anselm's trader friend was traveling alone, and he was killed in camp, probably while still sleeping, as that's where his body was found. Mladota explains that during his encounter with the trader he tried to ambush that the trader screamed out and his posse arrived, and Mladota was captured, at least until the bandit gang arrived and drove off the guards and sprung him. So, Mladota couldn't have killed the trader since he was alive when Mladota left him, plus Mladota says he didn't leave camp since getting rescued by the gang, so clearly it could not have been Mladota. Even if he's wearing the boots from the trader and has those fancy dice, his story still doesn't match the chain of events and the evidence.

If you talk to the other dice players, Noggin, Berta, and Pechuna, the only one who routinely leaves camp is Pechuna, and he travels back to Sasau. The dead trader's camp is on the way to Sasau, and Pechuna knows the area, too: he was the only one who had prior knowledge of the dice den ruins before the bandits moved in. He certainly had the means and of all the bandits, the only opportunity to kill the trader.

My theory is it was Pechuna, who having gotten his loot, returned to the dice den and ended up selling his loot to Mladota.

But that's must my own personal theory.

then it adds up and you have a clear memory of all the conversations, my memory is superficiall i admit. i knew i was right about some tiny things, the whole picture is different. mea culpa. thanks for telling and hiding it :)

[MacSuibhne]

Originally posted by Wonnie the Poop:

have to go all way back to the mill to take more.

I think you're mistaken there as well. If you've got your groschen stored in the chest at Miller Pesheck's, everything in that chest will also be in every chest in rooms you rent at Inns and everywhere you own a bed.

[PafunaMT]

Originally posted by vine:

then it adds up and you have a clear memory of all the conversations, my memory is superficiall i admit. i knew i was right about some tiny things, the whole picture is different. mea culpa. thanks for telling and hiding it :)

Well, in fairness, I have a great memory, 'cept when I forget to put on pants sometimes... I blame my kids.

[MacSuibhne]

Well, I understand and while it is your choice (although not everyone's) it's not really as logically consistent or immersive as your making it out to be. That chest (at the miller's) couldn't hold everything you (or the average player at least) stuffs into it. At one time I had four cuirasses in there as well as multitudes of bascinets, halberks mail coifs, pauldrons, chausses, books, herbs, longswords, maces, axes, and shields.

To be perfectly consistent, you need to limit the amount of stuff you cram into it.

And don't forget that 40k gr. (what you need to begin the restoration of Priblyslavitz with any kind of confidence) makes a pretty big pile all by itself.

[Jouchebag]

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

don't forget that 40k gr. (what you need to begin the restoration of Priblyslavitz with any kind of confidence) makes a pretty big pile all by itself.

Smaug called, he wants his trove back.

[vine]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Originally posted by MacSuibhne:

don't forget that 40k gr. (what you need to begin the restoration of Priblyslavitz with any kind of confidence) makes a pretty big pile all by itself.

Smaug called, he wants his trove back.

It's silver that the groshen are made of. Not gold. Silver. I sincerely doubt Smaug would bother with Henry. If anything, Smaug would take Kuttenberg. About 1/3rd of all silver in HRE came from Kuttenberg at about the time KCD takes place. It was THE single most important city in HRE at that time. Not Prague, Kuttenberg. Silver for groshen. Hence Sigismund taking it.

[Jouchebag]

Originally posted by vine:

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Smaug called, he wants his trove back.

It's silver that the groshen are made of. Not gold. Silver. I sincerely doubt Smaug would bother with Henry. If anything, Smaug would take Kuttenberg. About 1/3rd of all silver in HRE came from Kuttenberg at about the time KCD takes place. It was THE single most important city in HRE at that time. Not Prague, Kuttenberg. Silver for groshen. Hence Sigismund taking it.

A welcome bit of TMI

Also, way to throw Kuttenberg under the bus. They're all now melting thanks to you.