Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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PIT_DEFENDER Aug 21, 2021 @ 7:15am
KCD 2
Any word on what are the devs up to ? Its been a while since they finished off the game and stuff right ?
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vine Aug 21, 2021 @ 9:23am 
nothing official although we all know they're cooking something, and that something is a sequel/indirect sequel, reason tells. they got assets, engine experience, they got good IP, all trumps are in their hands.
i'm one of those who strongly believes we won't play as Henry for his story is concluded. It would be lovely if we met him as an NPC, though. we all would love it..
PIT_DEFENDER Aug 21, 2021 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by vine:
nothing official although we all know they're cooking something, and that something is a sequel/indirect sequel, reason tells. they got assets, engine experience, they got good IP, all trumps are in their hands.
i'm one of those who strongly believes we won't play as Henry for his story is concluded. It would be lovely if we met him as an NPC, though. we all would love it..
How is it concluded? he didnt find the sword and he didnt catch the big conspirator fella.
vine Aug 21, 2021 @ 3:05pm 
Originally posted by PIT_DEFENDER:
Originally posted by vine:
nothing official although we all know they're cooking something, and that something is a sequel/indirect sequel, reason tells. they got assets, engine experience, they got good IP, all trumps are in their hands.
i'm one of those who strongly believes we won't play as Henry for his story is concluded. It would be lovely if we met him as an NPC, though. we all would love it..
How is it concluded? he didnt find the sword and he didnt catch the big conspirator fella.
how was it about the sword? from my pov the voyage can be the end goal itself. how it affects the character, how they cope with it and how they affect the story, the people around. all of this is concluded in case of Henry. he found new family, respect, new life. that's what matters, doesn't it? remember some of the cutscenes with father. 2 actually. he stresses out how corporeal things don't mater, and how to be clever about stuff, and life in general. Henry has done what he could from my PoV, and KCD laid out some grounds for what bigger and better game there will be next. Consider KCD the first Witcher, if you will, and apply its evolution here.
The story can easily pick up shortly after KCD with a child of Henry's taking up the sword in Hussite wars starting in 1419. Interesting part of history.
PIT_DEFENDER Aug 21, 2021 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by vine:
Originally posted by PIT_DEFENDER:
How is it concluded? he didnt find the sword and he didnt catch the big conspirator fella.
how was it about the sword? from my pov the voyage can be the end goal itself. how it affects the character, how they cope with it and how they affect the story, the people around. all of this is concluded in case of Henry. he found new family, respect, new life. that's what matters, doesn't it? remember some of the cutscenes with father. 2 actually. he stresses out how corporeal things don't mater, and how to be clever about stuff, and life in general. Henry has done what he could from my PoV, and KCD laid out some grounds for what bigger and better game there will be next. Consider KCD the first Witcher, if you will, and apply its evolution here.
The story can easily pick up shortly after KCD with a child of Henry's taking up the sword in Hussite wars starting in 1419. Interesting part of history.
Like I get what you mean, but I think it will be Henry who will be taking up the sword, the game is about hussite wars but its hard to say what year would they choose for sequel, I think Henry will go chasing after that fellow and the sword and get caught up more directly into all that political mess and the war. I think that makes a solid bridge for the unconcluded main quest, I understand what your trying to say but I dont think devs think that way ;p I think I remeber Daniel talking some stuff about the main quest and its importance.

Also the history part is presented in a very messy way, also because its complex and I think for most players that main quest with sword and the villan are way more easy to understand and not get confused. I think this is why fictional tales like say game of thrones are more popular you can take history and then mold it into something complex enough for it to appear serious but also for the events to be easy to follow ;p
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NewbieOne Aug 21, 2021 @ 5:52pm 
I kind of feel a Henry sequel is in order because he never got knighted while he was recognized as Sir Radzig's son and given noble treatment rather than being reduced to the status of a commoner with a noble father (akin to bishops' sons who were sort of noble but not really unless they got a proper grant) and able to associate with nobles for as long as he would live but without the ability to pass the same status onto his own kids.

You could say that the game getting Henry appointed as the bailiff of Prybislavitz and hitched to Theresa, a miller's daughter, would imply placing him firmly in the upper cast of peasantry. However, depending on the region, town and village mayors were required to provide knight's service without being a knight, though knights could serve at least as village mayors if not as town mayors due to the association of the latter with commerce. North of Bohemia, in Poland, village mayors often did knight's service and in some cases either knights took up village mayoralties (became bailiffs like the one in Skalitz) when they couldn't buy or lease a village, or perhaps mayors actually became proper knights and capable of passing nobility or some sort of gentility onto their kids. In themselves, mayoralties were actually often hereditary. This would in fact look like a good place for a knight's bastard son because it would involve associating with the nobility and place the guy and his offspring a cut above the common folk in a sort of middle class able to mingle with both.

However, Henry pretty much officially became a squire, and while we could debate the status of a peasant appointed to serve as a squire. Heck, Poland had 'knights made of peasants', milites ex cmethonibus, who were a sort of non-noble knights using territorial designation and perhaps having some sort of heraldic designations too but forming a class in between commoners and the nobility, whereas many of the nobility didn't have full knighthood and those guys did have it. But nobility being one thing, a squire, however base-born, was initially by definition training to be a knight. Later on 'graduating' became more difficult and rare, with most noble-born men, even those serving as soldiers (serjeants), never making the promotion to knight. Still, being a squire probably must have eliminated any bar to knighthood on account of lack of proper birth. A squire getting knighted was not the same as a common man-at-arms transcending the social barrier and getting knighted on the battlefield.

The problem was that in the 15th century simply proving yourself a capable heavily armed mounted soldier, indistinguishable from a knight but for the belt, was not necessarily enough to raise a man to knighthood, even a nobleman formally inducted as a squire. Knighthood pretty much became something reserved to the top of the landed class (in French courts you could see even holders of landed fiefs as high and might as marquessates were referred to as 'ecuyers', with exceptions being made for dukes descendants of very old knightly families, titled 'chevalier' after the guy's proper name, before mentioning the fief and the feudal title associated with it). It wasn't like the earlier centuries when getting the accolade was the natural graduation of a squire, though already then with some exceptions (and in some European societies squires could revert to peasant status on failing to earn the accolade).

So it wouldn't be far off for Henry to settle down as a retired squire without his own fief (a squire with a tiny fief would be looking at entering the lowest rungs of nobility), just serving as bailiff for the actual lords of the land, his kids and grandkids ending up closer to normal peasants.

But I think things are leading to Henry getting knighted — unless the devs decide for a hard override in canon lore. Sir Radzig apparently not having an heir is one thing, but it would be hard to imagine Henry living to Sir Robard's or even Sir Bernard's age without getting knighted at some point.
Eminem Aug 21, 2021 @ 5:59pm 
Originally posted by PIT_DEFENDER:
Any word on what are the devs up to ? Its been a while since they finished off the game and stuff right ?

Land mass expansion. DO IT
PIT_DEFENDER Apr 22, 2024 @ 6:17pm 
Just wanted to say I was right ;p Henry is back xDD
Originally posted by PIT_DEFENDER:
Just wanted to say I was right ;p Henry is back xDD
With 16 times the detail :steamsunny:
vine Apr 25, 2024 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by PIT_DEFENDER:
Just wanted to say I was right ;p Henry is back xDD
gg \o/ :Dave_thumb2: :kcdflask: :kcdgkw:
eddie Apr 25, 2024 @ 10:51am 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R48DEEjyS5k

+ there will be 2 maps.
This 2 maps together will be two times bigger than the map in first KCD.
Except villages and smaller cities there will be one really big city - Kutná Hora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutn%C3%A1_Hora


Many things will be improved. - because Warhorse studio gained exps during making KCD1 + now much more ppl working on the game (around 220) and for 5 - 6 years - I dont include musicians etc.+ after KCD succes they also have got more money for development. And it seems anybody pushing them to fast release unfinished product with bigger bugs, so overall it should have much better start then KCD1.

Combat system will be different. On vids it seems it will be quicker and propably easier to learn - but still it should be hard to master acording to devs, we will see...

Oh yea, and there will be crossbows. Nice!
But on vid we can see using crossbow on the horse, ehm ?! :D (well, I think horse rider could use crossbow on the horse for 1 shot, but try to reload regular crossbow during horse riding lol, you would be totally defenceless during that and you ll not know what exactly is happening around you, which is both big disadvantages IMHO)
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