Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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firefrog Aug 29, 2020 @ 11:38am
Sparring with trainers is gone?
I didn't play KCD for about a year and a half now, so I thought it'd be best to do some sparring with wooden weapons with Bernard or Robard, for example, to learn the ropes again. It's just... I can't I can pay them to train me, but there's no option for the wooden weapons as there used to be. Is this a bug? Are there other trainers/sparring partners I can try to fight with?

Just to prevent this question: I progressed in the main story to the quest "Questions and Answers", so I'm far beyond the point of needing to solve the first quests for being able to spar with Bernard. Any hints here? =/
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Greb Aug 29, 2020 @ 12:25pm 
Try Sir Robard, in Thalmberg, he's near the combat ring. Or you can - if you have the From The Ashes DLC - build a Guardhouse instead of a Stable in Pribyslavitz and then you can spar with someone up there instead.

You don't have to pay to take part in a training fight as far as I know, only for training direct skills, which grants you a chunk of XP based on the training you pick - you can only do this once per lesson I.E an alchemy trainer could only give you one of each basic, intermediate, advanced and master lessons, although you can find other alchemy trainers if you desire more easy skill ups.

Otherwise Bernard should offer you sparring practice, if he's available. I'm not sure where he is during Questions and Answers, as I'm around that point in the main questline too. You can still meet up with Bernard during other quests, such as Robber Barons, he offers paid training (assuming he still has lessons to teach) but no option to spar while he's busy.

Don't know when he's free again, to offer you bandit hunts or sparring sessions though. Sorry! My only advice is for you to power on through the main questline, checking back at the Rattay combat arena at 9am after each quest you complete until he shows up.

Also consider the Rattay Tournament, while it's definitely not the same as basic sparring to learn your choice of weapon and combos, it's still a regular option for safe fights that can give you some experience in various skills, and you can pick the first weapon you want to use, I guess. Win or fail it doesn't really matter, but obviously you'll have to wait 7 days between each tourney.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful in regards with Bernard, though.
firefrog Aug 29, 2020 @ 2:46pm 
@Greb, thank you for the detailed answer, yet you seem to have missed the point a little. I did try to spar with both Bernard and Robard. They're both close to their respective training ground and I can talk to them, but they only offer me some talking ("tell me something about the city/your master", something like that, I don't know the exact wording in English as I'm playing with German speech) and the paid training you also mentioned. There is no option to spar, though. It used to work earlier on (like, two years ago >.<), so I'm wondering if it's just not possible around this time of the story, or if it is bugged. Both is kinda equally likely.
CalicoJack Aug 29, 2020 @ 3:07pm 
no, its not gone...

but being in some quests can prevent bernard from excercising with you until you finish the quest
AfLIcTeD Aug 29, 2020 @ 3:40pm 
Originally posted by firefrog:
@Greb, thank you for the detailed answer, yet you seem to have missed the point a little. I did try to spar with both Bernard and Robard. They're both close to their respective training ground and I can talk to them, but they only offer me some talking ("tell me something about the city/your master", something like that, I don't know the exact wording in English as I'm playing with German speech) and the paid training you also mentioned. There is no option to spar, though. It used to work earlier on (like, two years ago >.<), so I'm wondering if it's just not possible around this time of the story, or if it is bugged. Both is kinda equally likely.
Only Bernard gives training without DLC. The option to spar is with the paid training.
The only time you can't train with him are during the Neohoff raid, Robber Baron and the Talmberg siege quests. He should be available any other time at certain times.
Last edited by AfLIcTeD; Aug 29, 2020 @ 3:43pm
every1hasnames Aug 29, 2020 @ 3:56pm 
Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:
Originally posted by firefrog:
@Greb, thank you for the detailed answer, yet you seem to have missed the point a little. I did try to spar with both Bernard and Robard. They're both close to their respective training ground and I can talk to them, but they only offer me some talking ("tell me something about the city/your master", something like that, I don't know the exact wording in English as I'm playing with German speech) and the paid training you also mentioned. There is no option to spar, though. It used to work earlier on (like, two years ago >.<), so I'm wondering if it's just not possible around this time of the story, or if it is bugged. Both is kinda equally likely.
Only Bernard gives training without DLC. The option to spar is with the paid training.
The only time you can't train with him are during the Neohoff raid, Robber Baron and the Talmberg siege quests. He should be available any other time at certain times.


Im not sure what you mean by the option to spar is with the paid training? YOu dont have to pay for him to spar with him.

YOu have the option of spar with practice weapons/wooden weapons spar with real weapons (and ofcourse picking which weapon such as sword axe mace halberd).

and ofcourse if you havent already combos and master strike training.

The only options you have for paying for training are axe sword defense if i remember correctly. IN which these options you dont actually spar. You just pay and you automatically gain exp in whichever of the paying training you pick.

So IM confused as to what you mean?


but op he is correct on when bernard isnt available.


You likely have a bug.
Greb Aug 29, 2020 @ 3:59pm 
Yeah I didn't actually make the connection that you were asking them at the training grounds, lol. Whoops, sorry!

Have you tried the Guardhouse in Pribyslavitz? Assuming you have the From The Ashes DLC, haven't been dismissed from service, and haven't built a Stables instead, at least.

It's been about 90 hours since I last sparred with Bernard, I can't remember if you had to pay for the sparring session, I know I tried to fight him with real weapons and he called me a cocky bastard or something like that, he might have asked for monetary compensation before doing it, but I can't be sure. I definitely know that he offers all his Perfect Block / Dodge / Master Strike and Combo training sessions for free though, and I think you can even repeat them (you can for the combo training, at least)

I guess both Bernard and Robard are tied up, then. I can't even turn in the three Bandit Spurs quest items I've got in my pocket lol, not sure if it's a bug or if he's just busy - not busy enough to take time out of his schedule to kill some Robber Baron with Hans Capon, mind you - but busy enough not to have time for a peasant like Henry :steammocking:
Last edited by Greb; Aug 29, 2020 @ 4:04pm
PafunaMT Aug 29, 2020 @ 5:05pm 
Originally posted by firefrog:
I didn't play KCD for about a year and a half now, so I thought it'd be best to do some sparring with wooden weapons with Bernard or Robard, for example, to learn the ropes again. It's just... I can't I can pay them to train me, but there's no option for the wooden weapons as there used to be. Is this a bug? Are there other trainers/sparring partners I can try to fight with?

Just to prevent this question: I progressed in the main story to the quest "Questions and Answers", so I'm far beyond the point of needing to solve the first quests for being able to spar with Bernard. Any hints here? =/

I *think* I may have an answer, depending on where you're at in the Q&A quest - if you haven't started the quest yet, Bernard may not be available to train as he'll be at the upper castle in Rattay when you initiate the quest. I'm assuming that you find him at his usual post by the combat arena normally, but the option to fight with weapons isn't showing up? Or is Bernard just not around?

If this isn't the case, tell me more about where you're at in the story down to the dialog options.

As far as I know, in almost 4,000 hours of play, I've never been able to train in an arena with Robard like you can with Bernard: Robard just offers up paid training tips for Mace, Sword and Defence. The only places you can train with weapons are the Rattay combat arena and the Prybislavitz training ground that comes with the barracks.
AfLIcTeD Aug 29, 2020 @ 5:54pm 
Originally posted by every1hasnames:
Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:
Only Bernard gives training without DLC. The option to spar is with the paid training.
The only time you can't train with him are during the Neohoff raid, Robber Baron and the Talmberg siege quests. He should be available any other time at certain times.


Im not sure what you mean by the option to spar is with the paid training? YOu dont have to pay for him to spar with him.

YOu have the option of spar with practice weapons/wooden weapons spar with real weapons (and ofcourse picking which weapon such as sword axe mace halberd).

and ofcourse if you havent already combos and master strike training.

The only options you have for paying for training are axe sword defense if i remember correctly. IN which these options you dont actually spar. You just pay and you automatically gain exp in whichever of the paying training you pick.

So IM confused as to what you mean?


but op he is correct on when bernard isnt available.


You likely have a bug.
What I meant was the dialog to spar is with the paid training dialog. You can easily mistake it for paid training.
every1hasnames Aug 29, 2020 @ 6:34pm 
Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:
Originally posted by every1hasnames:


Im not sure what you mean by the option to spar is with the paid training? YOu dont have to pay for him to spar with him.

YOu have the option of spar with practice weapons/wooden weapons spar with real weapons (and ofcourse picking which weapon such as sword axe mace halberd).

and ofcourse if you havent already combos and master strike training.

The only options you have for paying for training are axe sword defense if i remember correctly. IN which these options you dont actually spar. You just pay and you automatically gain exp in whichever of the paying training you pick.

So IM confused as to what you mean?


but op he is correct on when bernard isnt available.


You likely have a bug.
What I meant was the dialog to spar is with the paid training dialog. You can easily mistake it for paid training.



The dialoge options when you talk to bernard looks like this.

Training combat with practice weapons-pick the practice weapon

Training combat with real weapons. -pick the weapon

Id like to learn combos

Master strikes

And then finally training. - the options you have for paid training i think axe sword defense if i remember correctly.

ofcourse some dissapear after completing.

INfact you wouldnt know any of them you had to pay for until you picked the very last option of training.

It would be hard for me to mistake the sparring options for paid training.



I guess if you picked the last option first i suppose
Last edited by every1hasnames; Aug 29, 2020 @ 6:42pm
AfLIcTeD Aug 29, 2020 @ 6:44pm 
Couldn't remember how it actually went but I knew it was all lumped together.
Seems like the op may be using an old save so it could be bugged. Either that or he is at a point in the game where Bernard is supposed to be unavailable.
Last edited by AfLIcTeD; Aug 29, 2020 @ 6:45pm
DobbyBaby Aug 29, 2020 @ 7:53pm 
Originally posted by firefrog:
@Greb, thank you for the detailed answer, yet you seem to have missed the point a little. I did try to spar with both Bernard and Robard. They're both close to their respective training ground and I can talk to them, but they only offer me some talking ("tell me something about the city/your master", something like that, I don't know the exact wording in English as I'm playing with German speech) and the paid training you also mentioned. There is no option to spar, though. It used to work earlier on (like, two years ago >.<), so I'm wondering if it's just not possible around this time of the story, or if it is bugged. Both is kinda equally likely.

Draw your weapon and start whacking them. You’ll get some training.
Greb Aug 30, 2020 @ 5:39am 
I checked up on it, and Bernard is back for me now. I handled Questions & Answers + Pestilence and moved on to All That Glisters which I haven't made any progress towards, and Bernard is now chilling at the combat ring, offering me sparring sessions as well. If you haven't completed those two quests and started All That Glisters, you could try that and hopefully it opens up training again.

Bernard has his typical dialogue, Can I ask...? / Training / (End Dialogue) / and inside the "Training" option is the combat practice with wooden or real weapons and combo training, too.

No option for him to accept those bandit spurs and ears though, but at this point I don't really care about that, plus quest items are weightless anyway. Assuming those bandit quests are like Skyrim's generic repeatable radiant quests that never really go anywhere or do anything besides giving you a bit of money anyway, right?

Might be worth checking your map, and seeing if the icon for "Combat Trainer" is there, too. Maybe it only appears if he's offering training at that moment?
firefrog Aug 31, 2020 @ 1:05pm 
Whoa, sorry folks for not replying, thank you all very much for the input! I'm pretty busy at the moment, I'll *try* to check some stuff that has been suggested tomorrow.

I do not own the DLC, so Rattay training ground it is for me, but I'll try to push through the Q&A quest and see what happens.

I'll let you folks know about any changes, at the latest at the end of the week (at least I hope so, weekend ist packed full again, too. There were times when I thought I was playing too much, nowadays I'm glad if I can find a couple hours to zone out before reality calls again)
Nimplex Sep 1, 2020 @ 5:42am 
Originally posted by CalicoJack:
no, its not gone...

but being in some quests can prevent bernard from excercising with you until you finish the quest

top answer! when you didnt play so long maybe you still have a 'important' (main) quest going on so you cant spare with them.
firefrog Sep 4, 2020 @ 4:09pm 
THANK YOU folks all so much! I just finished Questions&Answers (which is friggin' bugged anyways, so I didn't complete it to my liking, but heck), and now I can spar with Bernard again.
I didn't think it'd matter, as he was standing next to the training ground and offered to train me (those improvements that cost), but now I can ask him to spar with wooden or steel weapons again.

Seriously, thanks again. I think without you guys and gals, I'd have thought this game is bugged out completely and would have left it again, probably for good this time.
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