This feels more like a simulation than an RPG

[Garrett]

As a result it's not all that fun. I feel like I'm working.

[Tyrir]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย c3lix:

He is right, you have a fixed path you have to follow. There is also no room for choices.

So you followed your own path and declare that is the only one fixed path that can be followed. Great reasoning there, pal...

The player has plenty of choice in how to play the game (unless you're still in the tutorial/prologue). Try to take an objective view, not one blinded by your prejudices about the game.

And please be honest in how you represent that game so we can have a civil and productive discussion about this topic. Thanks.

[Bordric]

Lock picking sweet spot is basically a box find the outter edges and after I figured that out never an issue was easy. Basically drawing a circle with mouse.

[#4o4__Sk1LL_NoT_FoUnD]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MrFluffyWolf:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holo:

RPG is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development (by wikipedia)

The problem with that definition is that it's so general that it basically renders all video games that have both stories and characters as RPG's.

Thats what i always think if someone says role play game.

[Bordric]

Frogger is a RPG.

[Herreken]

I'm only up to The Prey quest. I thought it was really stupid Henry decided to fist fight that nobleman because he wouldn't leave the tavern at closing time. Will we have more choices in how to handle these situations later in the game?

[johncage]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Garrett:

As a result it's not all that fun. I feel like I'm working.

it's a simulation of medieval life, so yes it's not exactly adhd friendly. wait till you get to the monastery part lol

[norritt]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Two Moons:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย norritt:

Out of the 50 times I tried on an easy lock I managed to get it right by accident 2 times. Since the lockpicking is not only ridicoulously hard, but also no fun I gave up on it completely. I rather enjoy the game then get annoyed by a vicious mini game.

Once you find the sweet spot, just keep it moving while you rotate the lock. Ez

Doesn't work. Finding the sweet spot is not the issue. I can neither sync the speed, nor draw a perfect circle with the required velocity. As I said I tried it ~50 times and still suck as bad as in the first attempt so no learning progress at all.

[Voodoo]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย johncage:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Garrett:

As a result it's not all that fun. I feel like I'm working.

it's a simulation of medieval life, so yes it's not exactly adhd friendly. wait till you get to the monastery part lol

Monastery is actually adhd friendly as all hell, especially when guards come to drag you out and your objective says its your last chance to kill the guy...

[katzenkrimis]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Garrett:

As a result it's not all that fun. I feel like I'm working.

Funny. And true.

I've spent 10 minutes just trying to climb stairs in this game. Trying to get to a quest giver who doesn't seem to exist. Never mind the flawed horseback riding.

No game should be released like this. Climbing freaking stairs? Last time I saw obstacle issues this bad was in ESO. I'm embarrassed to even say that I played ESO.

Dragon Age Origins had bad horseback riding, too.

Playing this game is a job. Punch your card and suffer through it.

They'll need to keep working hard to fix this mess.

[kesat]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MrFluffyWolf:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Holo:

RPG is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development (by wikipedia)

The problem with that definition is that it's so general that it basically renders all video games that have both stories and characters as RPG's.
That definition makes Metal Gear Solid an RPG. I hope I don't have to tell you how silly that is of an implication to be caused by a bad definition.

Well, the problem about the definition is something else: It's totally up to the player if he's roleplaying or not. Just because a RPG gives you tons of decisions to make and a fully customizable character to play it's still not much of roleplaying if you - as a player - act arbitrary. It's this one sentence that's important: "Players take responsibility for acting [...]". And usually most players don't really think about their character or role - they just play and make their decision on their own personality. Nice for a sandbox, but not real roleplaying.

[BECKETT1994]

This sounds daft, although I am inclined to agree. I have played four hours and restarted five times. The opening sequence is amazing! It seems like the opening to a film, but then the player chosen dialogue starts. The beginning conversation with Mother for some reason breaks the immersion for me almost immediately (I know I am probably alone in this.)

Then the Kunesh problem annoys me. I have won the fight every time, even taking only one or two punches and a knee to the face yet I end up bloodier than a $10 hooker beaten by a sadist, not to mention my clothes become rags... Yet no one even mentions my face being messed up, not even Father. Again immersion broken. Then I end up feeling guilty for taking Kunesh's axe and hammer because I know he needs them, yet there is no other way to make money other than through stealing. Why does a master sword smith turned, horseshoe maker got no spare change that he could just give Henry?

Then outside the alehouse I am practially forced by Henry with the choice to be angry at the Deutchman despite I would be inclined to agree with him and not back the useless Emperor Wenceslas, whilst still dispising King Sigismund. I decline throwing manure, yet I get no option to try and persuade the others not to go ahead and do it and to leave the poor guy alone with his opinion. Then later on Father chastised me for the actions of the others despite the fact I took no part in it and did not want to either. This arguement that Henry puts up shows him for a big headed fool and I lose any relation to the character. Why the hell can Henry not just tell his Father that he took no part in the manure throwing incident?The blacksmith for me is more relatable but how the hell did he raise such an ignorant son?

I just don't feel like progressing because I fear there will just be more points like this that ruin the immersion for me. For me it is either: 1) Too linear on points I would prefer it not to be or 2) not linear enough for me just to be okay playing Henry. There is a fine line here and it gets bottlenecked.

[MrFluffyWolf]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย kesat:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MrFluffyWolf:

The problem with that definition is that it's so general that it basically renders all video games that have both stories and characters as RPG's.
That definition makes Metal Gear Solid an RPG. I hope I don't have to tell you how silly that is of an implication to be caused by a bad definition.

Well, the problem about the definition is something else: It's totally up to the player if he's roleplaying or not. Just because a RPG gives you tons of decisions to make and a fully customizable character to play it's still not much of roleplaying if you - as a player - act arbitrary. It's this one sentence that's important: "Players take responsibility for acting [...]". And usually most players don't really think about their character or role - they just play and make their decision on their own personality. Nice for a sandbox, but not real roleplaying.

No, the problem I asserted IS the problem.
You are correct, roleplaying is a two-way street. It requires the player to actually try to roleplay.
However, The player making effort to roleplay requires the game to give them enough options.
It is no cooincidence that role-playing games have always offered a lot of optional content and sandbox style worlds since the very beginning. Since even Ultima.
The reason is because even though a full blown expansive open-world where you can do anything is obviously not needed, a true RPG NEEDS to be choosier than the average game. It needs to have more things to do that are mutually exclusive with other things you could be doing. Things that define your role that you'll be playing in the world.

Henry's role in this world was predefined. This makes it a conventional narrative in a conventional action/adventure game with RPG elements such as a stat sheet and conversation options.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jambatti:

This game is a failure of a simulation (not realistic at all), and failure of true RPG (very linear, no room for role-playing). But it is a good ARPG (Action RPG). Think of it as of GTA with horses an you'll enjoy it like I do.

This is by far the worst description of this game I have read yet.

[Garrett]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mgk | Praesi:

The opposite is true. The Game is Fun.

I like lots of parts of it, but

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Herreken:

I'm only up to The Prey quest. I thought it was really stupid Henry decided to fist fight that nobleman because he wouldn't leave the tavern at closing time. Will we have more choices in how to handle these situations later in the game?

I don't think so. This is part of what's bothering me... I wouldn't have made that choice either, I would have let it go, but this game obviously has a pre-determined path that the character is GOING to walk no matter what. So all those choices you make in side quests etc., none of that factors into how he behaves during the main story cutscenes as far as I can tell, and that's a little annoying. I'm trying to be a scholarly herbalist but Henry keeps acting like an impulsive ass.

[Mista Dobalina]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Garrett:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mgk | Praesi:

The opposite is true. The Game is Fun.

I like lots of parts of it, but

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Herreken:

I'm only up to The Prey quest. I thought it was really stupid Henry decided to fist fight that nobleman because he wouldn't leave the tavern at closing time. Will we have more choices in how to handle these situations later in the game?

I don't think so. This is part of what's bothering me... I wouldn't have made that choice either, I would have let it go, but this game obviously has a pre-determined path that the character is GOING to walk no matter what. So all those choices you make in side quests etc., none of that factors into how he behaves during the main story cutscenes as far as I can tell, and that's a little annoying. I'm trying to be a scholarly herbalist but Henry keeps acting like an impulsive ass.

Gtfo, larper