Henry, Knight?

[RED]

i Just finish the quest that i hunt with sir Hans Capon. I bought some armor and everyone starting to call me a knight? When in hell did I become a Knight? Even Captain Bernard who was pretty mean to me start speaking to me respectfully. WTF?

[Hippopotamus]

Depends on the armor you wear, the threshold is low tho haha.

[crysis]

Originally posted by RED:

i Just finish the quest that i hunt with sir Hans Capon. I bought some armor and everyone starting to call me a knight? When in hell did I become a Knight? Even Captain Bernard who was pretty mean to me start speaking to me respectfully. WTF?

when you put the armor on you brought

[brenelael]

It is tied to various things like what you are wearing, Your reputation, How clean you are, Your Charisma level, etc...

The system in place is actually quite complex but as someone else in this thread said it does need some tweaking as it seams like anyone who is well spoken, clean and wearing anything other than a dirty rag is suddenly a Knight.

[Prowl]

I can understand it from the serfs, but less so from the gaurds and more so from the nobility. It is a game though, so I take it for what it is.

[Robineus]

"Who's that?"
"Must be a king"
"How can you tell?"
"Because he hasn't got crap all over him".

-Monty Python, The Holy Grail.

[RED]

Originally posted by Robineus:

"Who's that?"
"Must be a king"
"How can you tell?"
"Because he hasn't got crap all over him".

-Monty Python, The Holy Grail.

quote of the day

[Mark]

I was about to ask the same question. LOL When did Henry get a Knighthood? Sir Knight?
I thought I had missed a cut scene some where. LOL

[One Stoned Bastard]

He's an honourary knight.

He doesn't have the title, though.

[Atomek]

He's a Man-at-arms. The description from the Wiki perfectly describes Henry by the end of the game:

"A man-at-arms was a soldier of the High Medieval to Renaissance periods who was typically well-versed in the use of arms and served as a fully armoured heavy cavalryman.[a] A man-at-arms could be a knight or nobleman, a member of a knight or nobleman's retinue or a mercenary in a company under a mercenary captain. Such men could serve for pay or through a feudal obligation. The terms knight and man-at-arms are often used interchangeably, but while all knights equipped for war certainly were men-at-arms, not all men-at-arms were knights."

[cptsavarus]

Originally posted by AtomekTizzy:

He's a Man-at-arms. The description from the Wiki perfectly describes Henry by the end of the game:

"A man-at-arms was a soldier of the High Medieval to Renaissance periods who was typically well-versed in the use of arms and served as a fully armoured heavy cavalryman.[a] A man-at-arms could be a knight or nobleman, a member of a knight or nobleman's retinue or a mercenary in a company under a mercenary captain. Such men could serve for pay or through a feudal obligation. The terms knight and man-at-arms are often used interchangeably, but while all knights equipped for war certainly were men-at-arms, not all men-at-arms were knights."

Good info & I agree, that description does fit Henry perfectly. He is a Man-at-Arms.

You say the terms "Knight" and "Man-at-Arms" are used interchangeably however, which is not strictly true.
While historically both served a similar function in combat, "Knight" is a societal caste more than it is a description of duty, role, armament or combat prowess.
It was (and still is) a title of great distinguish, indicating a certain level of social status, education, wealth and lineage. One could not simply wear armour and call himself a Knight - the title had to first be earned and then bestowed - in almost all cases by the reigning monarch or head of state.

Granted, the English language has been watered down over the centuries and many words are now used interchangeably where they should not be - but these are two terms that still retain very different meanings and shouldn't be confused.
"Knight" remains a prominent title in several present-day monarchies (though it no longer necessarily infers a combat practitioner but rather someone of great intellectual merit), where "Man-at-Arms" has all but fallen out of the English language, to be replaced by the more ubiquitous "Soldier".
Pretty much the only places you'll hear the term "Man-at-Arms" today are He-Man cartoons and strategy games.

In the broader sense of the word, Henry in the late-game could very well meet the criteria to qualify as a Knight. He's literate, well versed in medicine, chivalry and combat, he's wealthy, his lineage is known & respected and he has friends in high places. What he's missing though is the title - it's never bestowed upon him.
If it were, there'd be a grand ceremony and everyone in the feifdom would know about Henry's new title. Greetings such as "Sir Knight" and "I'm honoured that a Knight such as you..." would then be appropriate.
As it is, he never gets Knighted and so he remains at best, a well-respected Man-at-Arms.
Even the lowliest beggars in the province would understand that difference. No-one would call him Knight if he hadn't been Knighted.

[Nox]

It doesn't entirely make sense that people who know henry would call him a knight, but back in the day pretty much you had to be very careful about how you spoke to people above your station so commoners who encountered a dude in fine armor and well kept clothes would rightly assume this guy was someone who was entitled (as in holding title).

Clothes make the man, as they say.

[crisfire34]

Ya it woulda been cool if you were knighted after one of the quests to make it official instead of being a fraud

[Nox]

Well literally speaking you are given your own mount and gear. What you don't have is land, so you aren't really a knight in that respect. You are a man-at-arms in service of the liege lords so being called a knight isn't inappropriate.

Now, it's kind of weird that people who know you call you a jerk because you're in your stealth gear.

[Teralitha]

All bandits must be knights too.

[showler]

So if Henry is a Man-at-arms does that make the female protagonist Teela?