First siege impossible to win

[ǸıκoÐeᴜs]

I am on first time on this siege and cannot win it for some reason, i tryed maby 5 times to win it but this happends. Any helps.
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[Deus Vult]

Yep same

[Dewguru]

I'm at the same point. I scouted prior, burned arrows, poisoned food, did the man power option that resulted in extra reinforcements, and after all that it's still me with 12 guys taking on what seems like 3-4 waves of a similar number of people, making the attacking forces vastly outnumbered. My Henry is a speech specialist, and thus no kind of combat monster that can somehow make up the difference in man power. It's indeed frustrating.

I can only imagine how insane it would have been without doing some of the sabotaging and additional troop requests.

[Muno25]

You need to focus on the enemy archers, only help with killing melee units when you route or kill enemy archers. Its basicly the one thing they nag on over and over again, they are afraid of the enemy archers. Also alot of your men doesnt use a shield so they are easy prey to archers.

[Deus Vult]

Tbh i think its simply broken ive tried like 15 times now, on different saves, sabotage, no sabotage, ekstra soldiers etc. When i load up the autosave in the middle of the fight i sometimes get a "GAME OVER - You have lost the battle", for no reason since none of my men are killed at that point. Also sometimes my archers are there when i load, sometimes theyre not..

[Grubbs008]

Literally run past all the soldiers and cut down the 3-4 archers across the river, help your men, then kill the archers on the stairs, help the men again, once you are inside the main base, pick incoming men off with arrows while your guys shield wall them.

[Dewguru]

Originally posted by Muno25:

You need to focus on the enemy archers, only help with killing melee units when you route or kill enemy archers. Its basicly the one thing they nag on over and over again, they are afraid of the enemy archers. Also alot of your men doesnt use a shield so they are easy prey to archers.

The initial push across the bridge isn't the big deal for me. That part goes more or less smooth. It's the push into the Cumans compound and the archers on the walkway that do the most damage. Which is really weird since the food poisoing and arrow barrels that I burned were all in the Cuman section.

When I try to rush those on the walkway/stairs, Henry quickly becomes a pin cushion, usually taking 1 to 3 arrows as I close. I hit one archer, and one or two others pull and attack as well. My non-combat monster Henry then pretty much remains tied up on the stairs with the initial few until it's too late.

I've made it past them twice, but in those instances it's only 4-5 guys left rushing in and quickly being eaten by the dozen seriously well armored bandits that meet you at the top of the hill.

If they're only going to give you a dozen guys no matter what, they should either trim down the opposition or have some reinforce with each following stage. I mean seriously, they've left minimal guards back in the army camp and a castle, and they're still outnumbered 4 to 1?

It's just stupid the way it is.

I keep hearing people ♥♥♥♥♥ about folks who compare it to Skyrim or another Fantasy RPG. Well, if it's supposed to be realistic, and it's not supposed to be a fantasy rpg - then this battle shouldn't expect me to be filling that kind of role by single-handedly slaughtered a bunch of people when my guy at best has the training of an entry level soldier.

[Muno25]

Yeah, I see alot of people that are having a hard time with that encounter have somewhat low combat abilities on their Henry. I can tell you that the boss coming after are a nightmare compared to the pre-fight(warm up as it is).
However the archer part, yeah its weird that Im suppose to kill them all, but I did run through them with somewhat eas just rushing in with a sword.

[Dewguru]

Originally posted by Muno25:

Yeah, I see alot of people that are having a hard time with that encounter have somewhat low combat abilities on their Henry. I can tell you that the boss coming after are a nightmare compared to the pre-fight(warm up as it is).
However the archer part, yeah its weird that Im suppose to kill them all, but I did run through them with somewhat eas just rushing in with a sword.

I'm looking through some comments that folks have made in other threads, and while I've focused on speech type approachs to things, part of my issue may be a serious lack of combat skills. My highest skill is defense, which tends to hit level 5 after I block an incoming swing or two in this quest. My warfare and sword skill are only something like a three.

This may largely be an issue where the way the investigative quest chain is communicated, it comes across as an urgent race to prevent more slaughters from happening and to try and save the people I was seeking as witnesses. So I've done only a few side quests.

Although it's odd, and ultimately a little disappointing, that I made it fine through the earilier stages (sure, I died and had to adjust in a couple spots), but now I've run into this wall of needing to be a combat monster in the quest line.

[TheIdiot]

I didn't find the actual assault to be that hard, it's the bloody boss fight which comes after which is completely insane (I just finished beating him myself - just wait for stamina to recharge, flail your mouse wildly about, and spam attack 3-4 times. DO NOT strike from the left, he'll get free hits on you).

I did find, however, that my guys also got annihilated by the archers. Your men will easily trounce the Cumans in hand-to-hand fighting so long as you have the numbers advantage, but they don't even react to the archers. Your goal is to cut the archers down before they can damage your troops; just run in there and nail them a few times while they fumble about trying to draw their sword. They're all lightly armoured as well. Yes, it sounds completely stupid, but sometimes, you have to do stupid stuff to win against stupid odds. Once they're dead, you HAVE to assist your men, if you see a guy in a one-on-one fight with a Cuman, go help him out! Double-teaming enemies is the way to kill them without taking damage yourself.

Also, how many men did you bring along? Just the troops at the camp, or the garrison of whatever that place was? I took along the garrison, and Sir Radzig's men all got wiped out right after we entered the Cuman camp, but the extra five guys from the garrison were able to reinforce us when we went up the hill. That being said, it was only the seven of us against about fifteen, since more guys showed up afterward.

"This may largely be an issue where the way the investigative quest chain is communicated, it comes across as an urgent race to prevent more slaughters from happening and to try and save the people I was seeking as witnesses. So I've done only a few side quests."
Yeah, I completely agree. They rush you from place to place so that you don't have time to really do anything (I kept having to ditch loot because I didn't think I had time to go sell stuff), hence why I also ended up going into this battle with apparently mediocre combat skills. Bad pacing, on their part, although it definitely conveys a sense of urgency.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and try to conserve as much health as you can in this battle - you'll probably need it for the boss fight which comes immediately afterward, as you're not allowed to heal in-between.

[Miskatonic]

It took me 4 or 5 tries. When they're attacking the Cumans, kill the archers up some stairs to the left. Then use your bow to shoot some of the enemies in the back and gg.

[YosefPepper]

same, i felt like i had to rush to this point of the game with low combat skills, and now i am stuck, i might have to go back to a earlier save and just leave it before the assault starts to go level up a bit, and maybe save for better armour, tho i am not sure wether enemies are ranked in this game or not, cause it seems the higher the level i get, the harder these enemies seem to be getting and not easier.... but that may just be the nature of the main quest getting more difficult as it progresses, as ive not done much else..

[tkidcharlemagne]

I gave up to focus on the rest of the game. Gonna build up my armour and sword/archery skills. I got up into the attic on full health. A whole army of mine down below. Half way through the speech before the boss battle the message came up. Your men are all dead.

I didn't laugh.

[TheIdiot]

That's alright, charlemagne, you don't want to fight the boss anyway, he's a cheapskate.

[Mr. Nobody]

i beat it today so it clearly can be done. This isn't like anyother game so dont play it like one you're just another soldier in the army no more no less. I fought amongst the men and won.

[Gekk]

Best advice I could give, use a bow to take out the archers, I tried repeatedly to melee them but on that thin strip of walkway it was incredibly janky.

Cant really give too much advice for the boss afterwards, got lucky with a combo and then got some free hits in after, but then the game crashed and lost progress. Second time I beat him by pulling out my bow and shooting him in the face with an arrow as he approached me. Whatever works I guess.