So is 20 the max for a stat?

[LordBlade]

Just trying to plan out perks and such. :p

[Notcognizant]

For combat skills they are, for stats such as strenght it seems not, am actualy leveling through 20 towards 21 in strenght so maybe there might be no cap on it.

[falloutgod13]

yeah, and without a way to read .tbl files in the .paks I can't change it... at least I think they're in some string tables from what I saw in the xml files but who knows... I ran searches accross all the files via atom and everything seems to point to the .tbl files having the important stuff which reallly suchs for modding

[falloutgod13]

oh, also your bonus game starting perks add to some stats so those 2 or one you can get over 20

[LordBlade]

I thought the points you get at the start were just a boost. I somewhat remember the game mentioning that your choices will affect your starting stats but all stats will max out regardless.

Also, if 20 is a hard coded max, then that means those main level perks that give you a bonus to a stat at the cost of another are mostly useless. It would just let you max out a stat sooner, but would take you that much longer to max out the ones you're losing points to. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

Of course, I like to try and max out everything when I play. I'm sure there's people who will go for faster games and just focus on specific stats.

[Tirshek]

So I had 10 strength and finished the strength book 2 and I got a pop up saying my str went up, but it stayed at 10. Do I need to progress the story further to get past 10? I am about to track down Reeky.

[CloudSeeker]

You can not level up any skill above 20, when you hit 20 the experience doesn't go up.

Originally posted by Tirshek:

So I had 10 strength and finished the strength book 2 and I got a pop up saying my str went up, but it stayed at 10. Do I need to progress the story further to get past 10? I am about to track down Reeky.

There is no story cap on any stats in the game. You can be at level 20 in everything before you even do your combat training in Rattay.

[LordBlade]

Is your overall level tied just to your stats? Or does story progression affect it as well?
I recall seeing players with all stats to max, but their level was only showing like 18 or 20 (shouldn't it be 20 when everything is at 20?).

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by LordBlade:

Is your overall level tied just to your stats? Or does story progression affect it as well?
I recall seeing players with all stats to max, but their level was only showing like 18 or 20 (shouldn't it be 20 when everything is at 20?).

You mean your main level? That one seems to be tied to your skills and whatever quests you do. And about it showing 18 and not 20. Do you have perks that lower your skill in somethig? If you pick the diplomatic perk your active strength is lowered by 2.

[LordBlade]

I don't have the game myself. Just watched videos of it and played a bit when it was new at a friend's place.

But I don't remember them taking anything that actually dropped stats. So I figured that they'd be at 20 when all stats are max.

[Jeff]

Many stats cannot go over 20.

Example: My speech is at 20, and I have a +3 speech when trying to persuade guards. If I murder somebody, and try to choose the speech option when trying to persuade a guard to not imprison me, my speech is only 20, not 23. So I fail the check.

Edit: I fail the check if I murder say...10 people. The guard's speech check goes to 21.

[Gerdruids]

Originally posted by ysnyder77:

Many stats cannot go over 20.

Example: My speech is at 20, and I have a +3 speech when trying to persuade guards. If I murder somebody, and try to choose the speech option when trying to persuade a guard to not imprison me, my speech is only 20, not 23. So I fail the check.

Edit: I fail the check if I murder say...10 people. The guard's speech check goes to 21.

not sure I understand. my stats show I have a 20 speach with a + sign on my persuation meter in the lower right, so you saying that the + number in blue has no bearing on stat? Or are you saying that the Base Stat of any skill besides Main Lvl will top out at 20.

[LordBlade]

Originally posted by Gerdruids:

not sure I understand. my stats show I have a 20 speach with a + sign on my persuation meter in the lower right, so you saying that the + number in blue has no bearing on stat? Or are you saying that the Base Stat of any skill besides Main Lvl will top out at 20.

So it would basically mean that as long as you're under max, you're getting a bonus to the stat. So if you have a +3 and your current stat is 15, then you have an effective stat of 18.
At 17, you would effectively count as having a 20 in the stat. If you raise the base to 18, you still only count as having a 20, because that's the hard cap on the stat (you don't get to be 21).

So bonus stats essentially just speed up hitting max, but don't actually help you any once you're there.

[Gerdruids]

Originally posted by LordBlade:

Originally posted by Gerdruids:

not sure I understand. my stats show I have a 20 speach with a + sign on my persuation meter in the lower right, so you saying that the + number in blue has no bearing on stat? Or are you saying that the Base Stat of any skill besides Main Lvl will top out at 20.

So it would basically mean that as long as you're under max, you're getting a bonus to the stat. So if you have a +3 and your current stat is 15, then you have an effective stat of 18.
At 17, you would effectively count as having a 20 in the stat. If you raise the base to 18, you still only count as having a 20, because that's the hard cap on the stat (you don't get to be 21).

So bonus stats essentially just speed up hitting max, but don't actually help you any once you're there.

now I get it.

[dinnerdoggy]

Originally posted by Tirshek:

So I had 10 strength and finished the strength book 2 and I got a pop up saying my str went up, but it stayed at 10. Do I need to progress the story further to get past 10? I am about to track down Reeky.

You will get notification that your skill went up whenever reading a skill book. There will be an additional notification when the skill levels up. A skill book will move the stats xp bar up, but may not move it enough to level the skill. That's when you'll get the notification that the skill increased, but not the notification that the skill leveled up.