Any tips for rattay tournament before I give up on this piece of garbage game forever?

[120 BPM]

No. matter. what.
I cannot do a ♥♥♥♥ing thing against shield hammer/axe combo in rattay tournament. I win the sword fight easily but when shields come I can't even take a % of enemy's hp. 95 % attacks - parried. Playing aggro - enemy counters most of your attacks. Playing defensively - enemy will always block my counters with a shield, even if I hit once or twice he just blocks it with stamina. NOTHING ♥♥♥♥ING WORKS. Try for a combo - enemy will ALWAYS counter the ♥♥♥♥ out of you and then follow up into his own combo beating you to death. I have reloaded the rattay save for about 30+ times now and I'm really close to permanently uninstalling this game and removing it from my library

[myeqchars]

Publicado originalmente por Sokurah:

Publicado originalmente por myeqchars:

I don't have Master Strike and I just won my 2nd tournament. Using the techniques I stated in my earlier comment. It IS a user problem lol

It might be possible without master strike but it makes it way easier. When you got hit a few times just play defensice and rely on masterstrike. You basicalle cant lose that way.

I still can't trigger Master Strike consistently (the timing window is tiny) but the next-best-thing is Perfect Block (which is way easier timing-wise) + Riposte. That plus playing defensively instead of attacking all the time is the way to win in the tourney. Too bad many players just don't get it (the ones that complain about the combat mechanics)

[CloudSeeker]

Publicado originalmente por myeqchars:

Publicado originalmente por Sokurah:

It might be possible without master strike but it makes it way easier. When you got hit a few times just play defensice and rely on masterstrike. You basicalle cant lose that way.

I still can't trigger Master Strike consistently (the timing window is tiny) but the next-best-thing is Perfect Block (which is way easier timing-wise) + Riposte. That plus playing defensively instead of attacking all the time is the way to win in the tourney. Too bad many players just don't get it (the ones that complain about the combat mechanics)

The way I did it was to move the key bindings on the mouse so the stab and block have different keys. It take to long for the finger to actually move to the key, which is why I made the change so blocking is on the right mouse button instead.

The way to consistently get master strikes is to block when the swing just start its movement toward you. If you block when you first see movement it is just a perfect block. You have to wait just a little and it is a master strike. Playing on Hardcore really help this out. Since you do not rely on a UI and therefore have to learn to look at the animations.

[myeqchars]

Publicado originalmente por CloudSeeker:

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The way to consistently get master strikes is to block when the swing just start its movement toward you. If you block when you first see movement it is just a perfect block. You have to wait just a little and it is a master strike. Playing on Hardcore really help this out. Since you do not rely on a UI and therefore have to learn to look at the animations.

See? This is confusing to me: I thought it was the other way, that the "earlier" block results in a Master Strike, and if you wait a bit (until the green shield appears) then it becomes a Perfect Block? IOW, if you block when their attack animation first starts (and don't wait for the Green Shield to appear) then that results in the Master Strike.

[Sokurah]

I just saw a vid that told if you're holding the weapon in the right position to block, it raise the timing a master strike is possible. So maybe that helps a bit.

[Dragonzord]

Publicado originalmente por myeqchars:

Publicado originalmente por Sokurah:

It might be possible without master strike but it makes it way easier. When you got hit a few times just play defensice and rely on masterstrike. You basicalle cant lose that way.

I still can't trigger Master Strike consistently (the timing window is tiny) but the next-best-thing is Perfect Block (which is way easier timing-wise) + Riposte. That plus playing defensively instead of attacking all the time is the way to win in the tourney. Too bad many players just don't get it (the ones that complain about the combat mechanics)

I sometimes think my game is broken or something, because for me Master Strike timing is so ridiculously easy that basically my every single block is a Master Strike. I tested it some more with Bernard and sometimes even if I purposely tried to delay my reaction, I was still triggering a Master Strike. I even reinstalled the game, thinking that some mod messed something up, but no. With not so strong Henry I am still able to trigger them just like that.
And on the other hand people say Master Strikes are not easy to time. That's why I'm wondering if something is just broken on my side. If it wasn't for Better Combat mod, I think I would have just quit the game because of this.

[StP]

If you really want to cheese it out, you can strip the participants' armor while they're sleeping the night before the tournament. They always sleep in the back area of the castle (the one where the roses spawn) and if you do it right, they will still in their pajamas the next morning during the tournament.

[CalicoJack]

Publicado originalmente por StP:

If you really want to cheese it out, you can strip the participants' armor while they're sleeping the night before the tournament. They always sleep in the back area of the castle (the one where the roses spawn) and if you do it right, they will still in their pajamas the next morning during the tournament.

lolo, nice idea!
why didnt i think of this before, haha.

[wjpower2003]

I couldn't win the tourney until I was at something like level 15 in all mele weapons, defence etc, had relevant perks, superior plate armour and had also improved my own understanding of the mele combat mechanic.

I think the reason it took me so long to "git gud" is that I spent too much time early on using horse archery and initially only went to Bernard to upskill through hit points rather than actually learn how to combo and parry properly.

[Triple G]

Publicado originalmente por wjpower2003:

I couldn't win the tourney until ... superior plate armour ...

In the tourney You get temporary equipment for it, because he says it´s about skill - not the equipment. It´s also not Your weapon, but the tourneys weapon.

Understanding of combat is nice - imho the tourney is a good place to practice combos - if You´re a bit unsure to use it in a real combat. After You win the first fight - it doesn´t matter if You loose the second, because in that case there will be a third. So one can try other things than just winning every duel with masterstrikes.

[Mr.Android]

Just get the "Masterstrike" (Block + instant attack). It's the most advanced block you can learn from the guy at the training grounds in Rattay. Just block all the time and you are fine.

[Seriously Unserious]

For me this was an interesting read. I've been having trouble with the Ratay tournies too. I figured I needed to just get Henry more practice with combat so I'd go off and do other things after I'd not make it in the tourney, and come back, usually to do a little better then I did the last time, but now I'm to the point where I can reliably squash the first 2 rounds, but keep running into trouble with Black Peter. For some reason, I can master strike him all day and he barely takes any damage from it, but he so much as nicks my armor with a single strike while I'm at near full stamina, I lose ridiculous amounts of health, sometimes up to nearly half in a single strike from him.

Not sure if it's a bug or that he's cheating and I need to learn or use some extra tricks to overcome. The idea about focusing on defence and master strikes is something to consider. I've done a bit of that, but not to the extent others suggest here.

[CasualGamer]

Publicado originalmente por Seriously Unserious:

For me this was an interesting read. I've been having trouble with the Ratay tournies too. I figured I needed to just get Henry more practice with combat so I'd go off and do other things after I'd not make it in the tourney, and come back, usually to do a little better then I did the last time, but now I'm to the point where I can reliably squash the first 2 rounds, but keep running into trouble with Black Peter. For some reason, I can master strike him all day and he barely takes any damage from it, but he so much as nicks my armor with a single strike while I'm at near full stamina, I lose ridiculous amounts of health, sometimes up to nearly half in a single strike from him.

Not sure if it's a bug or that he's cheating and I need to learn or use some extra tricks to overcome. The idea about focusing on defence and master strikes is something to consider. I've done a bit of that, but not to the extent others suggest here.

Black Peter is so asskicked that he's not even worth mentioning. Apart from the warfare and defence score, stamina and agility matters a lot.
And I think , the powerful swing perk, which gives you more damage in your attacks at the cost of 10 percentage of stamina should be avoided. It leaves you high and dry. Feints work very well in fight. And so are master strikes.
Keep your eyes on stamina. Never let it below the red marker.Otherwise your attacks won't generate power . Backtrack and let the enemy attack you.

[Commander Kane]

Sabotage is also an option all the opponents sleep around the fighting area.

Or get combat, agility and strength up. It gets easier with better skill levels.

[ParasiteX]

Nothing wrong with the game. Just a defective user

[Deus_nsf]

Everybody is talking about master strike, but you actually don't even need it, however, you absolutely need perfect blocking.
Unless you can't have perfect blocking without master strike? It's been a while honestly.