Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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Rattay tournament is so hard for me!
I can get past the first round usually with a 2-1 or 2-0 victory, but for the life of me I cannot get past round 2. Specifically, every shot of mine gets countered and I take guaranteed damage. Every shot I riposte gets absorbed by a block. They fight quicker and harder which I assume is part of the tournament set up and maybe Henry is just underlevelled, but may I ask for advice regarding how I go about dealing serious damage, please? I tried starting off unlocked combos only for the very first shot to get riposte'd, I tried going for the face with longswords as the armour soaks up the damage and warhammers/axes going for blunt hits etc, but at one point I had the guy facing the other way as I hit him 3 or 4 times, then he turned around and countered me once.. I went down to half health and started bleeding while he somehow had ZERO DAMAGE!!

I rant, but I ask my question because I'm really enjoying the game and would like to get better at the combat. The right answers to this may be more complex as combat is a skill you learn as you go along and I can imagine it's quite instinctive, but even some small tips may help out.. cheers in advance!
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Lieste May 7, 2020 @ 3:44pm 
You have to hit several times in quick succession and/or counter and attack into an 'end of chain' attack from your opponent, so the (rather silly) stamina buffer is depleted for at least one of your attacks to get permanent damage registering.

You have to avoid over extending, attacking to exhaustion and then being in distance to be hit.

An alternative is to deliver successful attacks in sequence without being hit, these can be over some time, and don't suppress the stamina buffer, but with 'chain strikes' do boost the attack power.

The four governors of the real fight (Judgement, distance, timing and place) are helpful within the context of the game. A dodge to your right followed by an attack gives you protection, an opening and (if you mess up a little) passive protection from shields against the attack which lands. (Dodging backwards robs you of the ability to attack (poor distance, poor place)).

Devices only require two hits, with the third attack of three automatically landing (alt 3 of 4). Some of these are rather easy to deliver (e.g. longsword Fehler). Each opponent has a 'personality' to their combat abilities, and I start by feeling out this with conservative actions focussed mostly on not being hit (at least repeatedly - some single hits are unavoidable - but you should never be hit many times in a row).
Once I have an idea of the opponent's ability (and my current health status) I choose to either press the offence or fight conservatively looking for an opportunity to take the initiative and fight offensively.

This is part character development (physical skills enhance your ability to perform the actions you choose) and player skill (or at least understanding of the tools and how and when to use them) (Judgement of the four Governors).

The tourney opponents are supposed to be middling to high level opponents, not trivial for a middling level Henry's physical abilities and his players judgement and decision making. It is entirely doable for very good judgement even at the earliest point you can take it though, even if rather harder than it will be later.

(Importantly though is that you have to build your palette of skills to be more than just attack, parry, dodge. That is not quite enough to be effective. Combination attacks or devices are very helpful (if difficult to pull off initially until you figure out how the attack angles flow with and without enemy interference), and parry-riposte and master-strikes are vital to learn.
You can get these *before* "The Prey" if you follow the advice given by Bernard literally and with enthusiasm (The name of the training quest is a hint to success in combat)
Last edited by Lieste; May 7, 2020 @ 3:48pm
Stallionista May 7, 2020 @ 4:25pm 
Thank you so much, I'll bare this in mind and practice for the next tourney!
groover May 7, 2020 @ 4:41pm 
Or, more simply, learn to reliably win at a clinch and do so while your opponent is in a corner of the arena. Doing so allows you to get one free hit in. Rinse and repeat until the battle is won.
Stallionista May 7, 2020 @ 5:30pm 
Originally posted by Wacks Tobacks:
Or, more simply, learn to reliably win at a clinch and do so while your opponent is in a corner of the arena. Doing so allows you to get one free hit in. Rinse and repeat until the battle is won.
Good shout about the clinching, I'll have to look into how to win them reliably and that's a great way to get a hit in!
JunSunBro May 7, 2020 @ 5:34pm 
Heed my advice as I am once a noobieness with tournament. I used to get destroyed before and could not win against Black peter. Any weapon I use against them and black peter was a pain. Then I started training MORE with that captain guy in Rattay. Youll find him standing by that training pit most of the time. I read in a forum before about the importance of that skill Master clinch or riposte. I trained mace, short sword with shield and long sword with him. I beat him up all the time with mace and shield.

Now what I do to win is, I most of the time try to get close and press F for clinch or to shove the enemy, then I get close and do a upper attack to hit his head. Or i let him get close and I press Q for defense on the right time so Henry can perform his auto counter attack which does a lot of damage. I am not successful in doing combo with this guys as they always counter me, so i just feint an attack and move back, get close and press F and get close again while he is unbalanced for head attack. stab stab. Same style with shield. I always get damaged alot when opponent has shield and performs that rotating counter against me.
And drink up some potions for battle or defense increase if u have too.
Last edited by JunSunBro; May 7, 2020 @ 5:34pm
Stallionista May 7, 2020 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by Meat and Cheese:
Heed my advice as I am once a noobieness with tournament. I used to get destroyed before and could not win against Black peter. Any weapon I use against them and black peter was a pain. Then I started training MORE with that captain guy in Rattay. Youll find him standing by that training pit most of the time. I read in a forum before about the importance of that skill Master clinch or riposte. I trained mace, short sword with shield and long sword with him. I beat him up all the time with mace and shield.

Now what I do to win is, I most of the time try to get close and press F for clinch or to shove the enemy, then I get close and do a upper attack to hit his head. Or i let him get close and I press Q for defense on the right time so Henry can perform his auto counter attack which does a lot of damage. I am not successful in doing combo with this guys as they always counter me, so i just feint an attack and move back, get close and press F and get close again while he is unbalanced for head attack. stab stab. Same style with shield. I always get damaged alot when opponent has shield and performs that rotating counter against me.
And drink up some potions for battle or defense increase if u have too.
I forgot about potions! Yeah when the main quest is over and Bernard's back in Rattay I'll train with him, I need to get more combat skills under my belt. Cheers for the advice!
myeqchars May 7, 2020 @ 6:58pm 
what are your levels in STR, AGI, and the Combat skills?
Stallionista May 8, 2020 @ 3:52am 
Originally posted by myeqchars:
what are your levels in STR, AGI, and the Combat skills?
10 STR, 6 AGI, and then 6 def, warfare 6, 0 axe (never picked one up ever!), 2 bow, 2 mace, 6 sword. Considering training with other weapons to stop me being more of a one trick pony in the tourney.
every1hasnames May 8, 2020 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by Stallionista:
Originally posted by myeqchars:
what are your levels in STR, AGI, and the Combat skills?
10 STR, 6 AGI, and then 6 def, warfare 6, 0 axe (never picked one up ever!), 2 bow, 2 mace, 6 sword. Considering training with other weapons to stop me being more of a one trick pony in the tourney.


Thats the reason right there.


Another question? Did you learn master strikes yet? If not then it is highly doubtful you will even be able to cheese your way to win the tournament.


As both the second and the third opponents in the tournament can master strike you even if you havent learned master strikes yet.


And thats why when they countered you it took your health down so much. You said you hit him with 3-4 hits. which means your stamina is low. So all the damage you received from his counter attacking(which was most likely him master striking you. All that damage likely went straight to your health.



Here is a trick you can do that while i doubt it would allow you to beat them given your stats. I wouldnt totally rule it out. As you could get lucky.


Grapple them.

If you dont know what grappling is. Grappling them is going all the way close to them as you can and clicking (for me its the scroll wheel) this will make you grapple with them.

It looks like both of your weapons are clashed together. Then immediatly pushing an attack. Slash attack does a strong grapple pushing them away. While stab attack does a weaker grapple pushing them away still but not as far as slash attack.


This will give you a chance to get a hit in or two.

cheese it. Repeatedly grappling them will restrict what the computer will do.


Also do it in a corner and keep the opponent in a corner.


Like i said with your stats i doubt even this cheesing tactic will allow you to win the tournament. But its possible.
Last edited by every1hasnames; May 8, 2020 @ 4:14am
Stallionista May 8, 2020 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by every1hasnames:
Originally posted by Stallionista:
10 STR, 6 AGI, and then 6 def, warfare 6, 0 axe (never picked one up ever!), 2 bow, 2 mace, 6 sword. Considering training with other weapons to stop me being more of a one trick pony in the tourney.


Thats the reason right there.


Another question? Did you learn master strikes yet? If not then it is highly doubtful you will even be able to cheese your way to win the tournament.


As both the second and the third opponents in the tournament can master strike you even if you havent learned master strikes yet.


And thats why when they countered you it took your health down so much. You said you hit him with 3-4 hits. which means your stamina is low. So all the damage you received from his counter attacking(which was most likely him master striking you. All that damage likely went straight to your health.



Here is a trick you can do that while i doubt it would allow you to beat them given your stats. I wouldnt totally rule it out. As you could get lucky.


Grapple them.

If you dont know what grappling is. Grappling them is going all the way close to them as you can and clicking (for me its the scroll wheel) this will make you grapple with them.

It looks like both of your weapons are clashed together. Then immediatly pushing an attack. Slash attack does a strong grapple pushing them away. While stab attack does a weaker grapple pushing them away still but not as far as slash attack.


This will give you a chance to get a hit in or two.

cheese it. Repeatedly grappling them will restrict what the computer will do.


Also do it in a corner and keep the opponent in a corner.


Like i said with your stats i doubt even this cheesing tactic will allow you to win the tournament. But its possible.
I feel slightly better to hear that I've been premature with the tourney regarding my stats, so I'll have to learn master strikes and level up everything first. Cheers for your help!
Stallionista May 8, 2020 @ 5:09pm 
1am and I'm still playing this! But you guys totally rock; went to Bernard and learnt master strike for sword, along with a couple of combos for longsword and one for shortsword, and I'm entering my first ever final in the tourney! Cheers everyone!

Update: Just won the final 2-0! Wow, the master strike sure helped out massively, that was the gamechanger.. and the combos were easier to land because of it.
Last edited by Stallionista; May 8, 2020 @ 5:15pm
JunSunBro May 8, 2020 @ 7:01pm 
Originally posted by Stallionista:
1am and I'm still playing this! But you guys totally rock; went to Bernard and learnt master strike for sword, along with a couple of combos for longsword and one for shortsword, and I'm entering my first ever final in the tourney! Cheers everyone!

Update: Just won the final 2-0! Wow, the master strike sure helped out massively, that was the gamechanger.. and the combos were easier to land because of it.


I cant believe our boy has grown up! *cries and laughs for joy*
myeqchars May 8, 2020 @ 10:47pm 
I think anyone that cries about "the combat is tooooo haaarrrddd" for this game has to post their combat skill levels, or the post gets deleted / ignored
Stallionista May 9, 2020 @ 5:25am 
I apologise if this post came across as a "whinging" post initially (I can imagine if it's irritating to work through the game and improve only to see a new player rant about the combat) but I'm happy I had some answers that genuinely helped me to get better and enjoy the game more. I was ultimately asking for help, rather than ranting for the sake of it and attacking the game.

Originally posted by myeqchars:
I think anyone that cries about "the combat is tooooo haaarrrddd" for this game has to post their combat skill levels, or the post gets deleted / ignored
In fairness, between the tourney attempts my stats barely changed! Just learnt the master strike and a couple of combos and that totally swung it!
Last edited by Stallionista; May 9, 2020 @ 5:26am
Dark Stierlitz May 10, 2020 @ 5:29am 
its an rpg game you need to level up combat skills to beat your opponents. it can be easily won by clinching and random attacks without combos and other fancy stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0crOLHrxVQ
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