[Spoiler] Who killed sir Alphonse

[Jeza]

So I waited for the 1.7.1 patch before starting the DLC, I talked to Capon, went to Ledetchko found out the trail about the necklace, found Alphonse Dead and his friend asked for my help and I accepted.

I went to the camp, got invited in, started the tournament, got the main guy to give me time to rest before negociating, noticed that Mladota has not only very nice Noble's shoes but also a nice set of dice just like the one that used to be owned by Alphonse but it seems Henry didn't take notice of that.

I won the dice tournament, spoke to all participants without getting anything useful out of it (19 speech/charisma and no option to use it anyway during dialogue), spoke to the wench in the camp, got bored and went to claim my prize, got Capon's necklace back.
I still have the option to find yout whi killed Alphonse but no option to talk to anybody anymore except the old dialogue lines I already sued with the dice players.
I even waited nightfall, pickpocketed all of Alphonse's dices from Mladota and still nothing changed in the quest and no indication that Henry got a clue.

Am I missing something ? Is it bugged still ? Is there no way to complete that quest ?

[Lieste]

You complete it by implicating the guilty party. If you want you can rob his friend of his revenge too, but that isn't required.

[Jeza]

Originally posted by Lieste:

You complete it by implicating the guilty party.

hum ok I have an idea then, I'll give it a try, thanks :)

[Jeza]

Worked perfectly, thanks a lot !

I just was expecting Henry to let me know he had gotten a clue but apprently you ahve to guess he did.

[Sergey8934]

Hey guys, I need help. After winning the tournament old man not giving key and there no Capon's necklace in chest. I try roll the oldest save before even start quest but same thing - there no Capon's necklace anywhere. Is this bug?

[Gerdruids]

Originally posted by Sergey8934:

Hey guys, I need help. After winning the tournament old man not giving key and there no Capon's necklace in chest. I try roll the oldest save before even start quest but same thing - there no Capon's necklace anywhere. Is this bug?

did you go to the proper chest? the one way in the back behind the dice room?

[Sergey8934]

Originally posted by Gerdruids:

Originally posted by Sergey8934:

Hey guys, I need help. After winning the tournament old man not giving key and there no Capon's necklace in chest. I try roll the oldest save before even start quest but same thing - there no Capon's necklace anywhere. Is this bug?

did you go to the proper chest? the one way in the back behind the dice room?

100% sure, i watch different walkthroughs, and ahve market on quest. But as I say - there is no key from chest which old dude give and no Capon's necklace, only basic. Its like key and necklace didn't exist in the game, dunno how to explain.
I search from google, but only found 1 theme - https://forum.kingdomcomerpg.com/t/capons-family-necklace/61613/12 without solution

[breversa]

So, who is the *real* killer ? From what I know, you can tell Sir Anselme anyone, for any reason, and he'll give you the rame reward (Nobleman's hat, and 575 groschens).

Has anyone found another/better culprit ?

[Jeza]

Yes there's a way to know, if you examine Alphonse's body and corpse and also speak about him to the dice player he got the Necklace from in Ledetchko and his friend who sends you on the spying mission you'll know his shoes have been stolen as well as his dice set and that dice set is a nice golden color.
You'll notice one of the dice contestants in the tourney at the bandits camps is wearing noble's shoes and has a copper/golden colored set of dice.
Of course he could have won them from another player but well the murder is recent so chances are low. He's also the one that was taken in after he robbed merchants on the road so it confirms it.

[breversa]

That's Mladota, right ?
However, the outcome with Sir Anselme is the same if you accuse anyone else, hence my question.

[Jeza]

Ah well then no the game never let's you know if you accused the right one or not and there is no difference in the rest of the game as far as I know.

And yes it's Mladota who did it from the evidence you can gather.

[breversa]

I went with him too.

Fun thing to do : drop a Bane potion in their cooking pot and watch them die one after the other while "silently" looking for the killer ! ^^

[Og-the-Trog]

Originally posted by Jeza:

Of course he could have won them from another player but well the murder is recent so chances are low. He's also the one that was taken in after he robbed merchants on the road so it confirms it.

He also says that he's been in the camp the whole time, and didn't say he actually succeeded in robbing anyone. Only that he tried and immediately fell into a trap. From the sounds of it, most of them have been cooped up in there for a few days too, since the baron doesn't let them go out. Too long to have robbed Alphonse. I'd say the local, Pechuna, might have done it and then just lost it all since he's the only one that says he comes and goes from the camp, but he doesn't seem the type for murder.
Honestly might just be an oversight though, or unreliable stories. Mladota is probably the intended perpetrator.

Although...what is Anselm doing there? He opens with "I'm afraid my friend here won't be able to tell you much", and then Henry instantly explains who he is and what he's doing here before he learns any more about this character that walked up to him at a murder scene. Who was Anselm expecting to come by looking for info from Alphonse?
Sir Anselm then says he was meeting his friend to bring him into a business arrangement, and you can practically see the wheels in his head spinning at light-speed as he adjusts his story to make use of this Local Lord's helpful manservant (henry). According to this sketchy man in high-quality armor, he supposedly invited a friend from a 'decent circle of folk' to help him arrange the business dealing which he himself isn't invited to. Meanwhile he himself dresses like a noble, not a ruffian? How exactly does he know these people and why is he involved in making the arrangement at all if he's on kill-on-sight terms with them? Rather odd, but the story is corroborated somewhat by the dice player in Ledetchko who heard it from Alphonse himself that the late diplomat was going to meet someone there in that camp by the ford.
Anyway, the business being entered into is supposedly convincing the robber baron to harass specific trade routes between Prague, where Alphonse is from, and Beneshav, with a safe haven in a third location. Ambushing trade routes? Shelter in a town? He's confirming there are at least a couple of rich noble houses squabbling here. In blood. You can succeed at relaying this message too when you talk to the robber baron, so it's at least rather close to the truth.

As for the crime scene, we see he was killed in his sleep, without a struggle. That his pack was gone through/"searched for something", Alphonse himself had his shoes and his valuables stolen, and someone attempted to burn the map to the bandits' hideout in the fire.

What if Anselm was in the employ of a rival from the prague area that ambushed Alphonse?
He admits to having a task that conflicts with stringing up the bandits, and is very reluctant to get the local knight involved (claiming he's probably involved with the robber baron, not that far-fetched knowing the guy but still a serious claim).
He originally didn't want to tell Henry why Alphonse was there, but agreed to fill him in when pressed, and then denied any involvement with any of the likely suspects in the area when Henry inquired about it (absolute sketch). We hardly know anything about him.
If he IS a rival employee, stopping the messenger (alphonse) could have been reason enough for Anselm to kill him.
But why stay put at the scene, why talk to Henry, why concoct a scheme to get Henry to impersonate Alphonse, 'identify his friend's killer', and then 'leave the rest to him'? He doesn't seem to be after anything besides the identity of the supposed killer, (which doesn't seem to really matter), and maybe completing the business transaction. But for the transaction to be his ultimate goal he'd have to be a wily weasel, feigning reluctance to let Henry in on the whole purpose of Alphonse' visit, and only letting on with Henry pressing him. Maybe he was wary of Henry completing the deal because the last thing he wanted was for Henry to attempt it only to be apprehended/found out, and for Henry to tell them that Anselm was involved?
Maybe the ideal course for Anselm is for the bandits to receive their expected guest, and for that guest to then skip town before completing the meeting and thereby piss them off & nix further dealings from Alphonse' employers? Or (and better yet), if Henry *does* get himself into the meeting, if he could somehow arrange for the bandits to raid the very prague trade routes of Alphonse's employers (Anselm's employer's rivals), that would be perfect for him.
Maybe Anselm was lying in wait for whoever was supposed to meet Alphonse in that camp, and when Henry happened by he improvised right then and there to benefit his employers.
Looting & searching after the fact could have been done by the local who came across the scene on his way up to his buddies, who then carted the loot up to the camp and bartered it for grosh, or used it to pay a debt, or lost it in dice, or something. And Anselm didn't interfere because he was expecting someone that looked like henry.

I might be contracting some sort of paranoid overthinking disease here but Anselm might be a 150 IQ spook.
Then again I think Father Godwin's a big-brain ex-spook too so..


...and yet another 'then again', accusing him of lying and murdering his friend seems to get a much more genuine response than his lame description of how he screamed and grieved over his friend (and then left him as he lay...). A real spook would have gloated at that point, if it was going to be a duel to the death anyway, not gotten indignant and feigned yet more emotion.
Someone take my keyboard please

[Puppentanz]

It´s Pechuna.

Reasons:
1. The amulet seems way more valuable than the dice and the shoes so it´s unlikey that he won it through dice.
2. Sir Alphonse was killed in his sleep so Pechuna didn´t have to risk his neck.
3. The others knew they were expecting Sir Alphonse so they woudn´t just kill someone dressed like this. After all you´re let into the camp because you look like a fine sir.
4. He´s the only one allowed outside. If any other would have left the camp the other brigands surely would have noticed.
5. After he killed Sir Alphonse and went through his stuff he found the map. He then realized that this guy must have been some sort of guest and tried to destroy the evidence.

[Russkly]

Seems a shame though that this story doesn't really go anywhere in the sense that apparently you can tell Amselm anything, and you still get credit for solving the Sir Alphonse murder mystery.

I went with Pechuna for the same reasons as posted above, but it would be nice if sub-plots like this were taken to a satisfactory conclusion, which to be fair they usually are.

This one seems half-baked though and a bit of a waste of time.

[theSeb]

To be safe I killed all of them, except the wench. I still think Anselm had something to do with it and I don't trust that chap one bit. He's far too shifty for my liking.