Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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Skdursh 2. feb. 2018 kl. 8:59
GOG version announced. Release on Feb 27.
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Carlos 3. feb. 2018 kl. 4:16 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Skdursh:
GOG doesn't control when developers submit the updates. You're blaming the wrong people here.

Not true, they botched the patches for Wasteland 2 and Don't Starve (several times), and that's only the cases I know of. So there is some kind of implementation process, it's not just about devs sending their patch and presto, it's done.

Generally though they were terrible but they've definitely improved.

I support GoG not because of DRM or any such hipster nonsense but because they're an important competition for Steam. Competition is healthy, you don't want anyone having an overwhelming market dominance.
Yeah, if you know what you're talking about GoG actually packages the updates themselves after devs send in the updates. It's horrible...
Count Leaves 3. feb. 2018 kl. 9:20 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Skdursh:
You're blaming the wrong people here.
I'm afraid not. GOG sells games, so they have to make sure their customers will get the same updates and patches as on Steam (or any other platform). It's not my job begging devs for updates, it's GOG's. I love the philosophy behind GOG, but at the end of the day I prefer up-to-date games.
ferret 3. feb. 2018 kl. 12:55 
There's a nice and easy solution for this already aka GOG Connect.

As someone said, Kingdom Come will be pirated instantly, so no reason to delay releasing it on GOG soon. Imho CD Project started Connect as a reason for Steam only users to build their library on GOG and start using their platform and eventually start to spend $$$ there. Myself included :)

Being a backer of this game, I would appreciate GOG Connect thing and it will boost sales for Steam too.
Carlos 3. feb. 2018 kl. 13:11 
Oprindeligt skrevet af ferret:
As someone said, Kingdom Come will be pirated instantly

Yeah, Steam games are sometimes pirated even before the launch or a few hours afterwards at the latest.

I would understand if KCD was protected by Denuvo but Warhorse explicitly said there is no Denuvo. So the delay is completely pointless. (Than again it's Deep Silver's decision, not Warhorse's).
LordBlade 3. feb. 2018 kl. 13:40 
Denuvo doesn't do anything to stop piracy though. Hell, there's been games with Denuvo that have been up for download before the games were even released. lol

DRM does one thing, and that's hinder legitimate paying customers. Period. Why companies keep using DRM when it's been proven to be worthless is beyond me. All it ever seems to do is drive away potential customers who don't want to put up with it.

That's why Stardock was always one of my favourite companies. They actually put their games up on pirate sites personally. No DRM on any of their games, simply put them out there and told people that if they enjoyed the game, they should consider purchasing it. And it worked. A company that treated players like people and not criminals. Their games were great (the GalCiv titles is where I got started) and word of mouth spread. People downloaded their games, loved them and went out and bought copies. And they told everyone they knew. And referrals from friends are always one of the biggest motivators to buy a game. They were smart about it.

Piracy has been proven to be one of the best marketing tools. If your game is good, then people will buy it. Not all the people who download it, naturally. But many will. A lot of people pirate games to "try before you buy". Others just have limited funds and have to be super picky about what to support. But if you put out a quality product and don't treat players like scum, then people will buy your game. Regardless of whether they can pirate it or not.
R2zi3l 3. feb. 2018 kl. 13:45 
Oprindeligt skrevet af LordBlade:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Count Leaves:
GOG has gotten pretty sloppy with updates.
GoG is a great site... mostly. At least when it comes to older games.
But with newer games, they've been terrible in my experience. Different patch versions, often being a version or two behind the Steam version. Patches being delayed days or weeks.

While I love the idea of GoG, and I have a ton of older games on there (which I can easily play), I don't trust them with newer titles. They've just been far too unreliable.
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Carlos 3. feb. 2018 kl. 13:53 
Oprindeligt skrevet af LordBlade:
Denuvo doesn't do anything to stop piracy though. Hell, there's been games with Denuvo that have been up for download before the games were even released. lol

DRM does one thing, and that's hinder legitimate paying customers. Period.

That's some hilarious wishful thinking.

Denuvo has been effective for many games in that it took weeks, sometimes months for it to be cracked, which is the most lucrative period in any game lifetime.

Also Denuvo doesn't hinder anything, specialized websites did measures and it turns out Denuvo MAYBE slows downs SOME games in SOME rare circumstances by like 1-3%.

I don't like the idea of DRM but I don't like baloney and fake news either.
LordBlade 3. feb. 2018 kl. 14:01 
If the best it can do is delay a crack, then it's not effective. Unless a DRM system can 100% not be hacked, it's pointless and failing at what it's supposed to do.
And they all do something bad for legitimate buyers. Whether that be simple things like system slowdowns as the DRM is using extra resources, to the nonsense of players being locked out of their games when the DRM fails (or the servers go down), to sometimes having players completely banned from playing games they bought because of DRM hiccups (and then having to fight tooth and nail to get access to their game back).

New DRM systems are just bad.
Hell, it was better when they just put out games with physical DRM like those code-wheels and such. :p

But honestly, I think if your game is done well, DRM simply isn't needed.
Basically the bigger the asshat the company is, the more DRM they put on it. It's why Far Cry 5 is coming out with FOUR different DRM systems. Gotta love Ubisoft. lol
R2zi3l 3. feb. 2018 kl. 14:08 
Oprindeligt skrevet af LordBlade:
It's why Far Cry 5 is coming out with FOUR different DRM systems. Gotta love Ubisoft. lol
ooh I didnt know that but ofcourse its oobisoft we are talking about so its not a big surprise. Shame they never learn (same for customers who buy game after game with such bs and then complain about it)
Skdursh 3. feb. 2018 kl. 15:08 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Carlos77:
Oprindeligt skrevet af LordBlade:
Denuvo doesn't do anything to stop piracy though. Hell, there's been games with Denuvo that have been up for download before the games were even released. lol

DRM does one thing, and that's hinder legitimate paying customers. Period.

That's some hilarious wishful thinking.

Denuvo has been effective for many games in that it took weeks, sometimes months for it to be cracked, which is the most lucrative period in any game lifetime.

Also Denuvo doesn't hinder anything, specialized websites did measures and it turns out Denuvo MAYBE slows downs SOME games in SOME rare circumstances by like 1-3%.

I don't like the idea of DRM but I don't like baloney and fake news either.

Denuvo doesn't work anymore. It's system has been figured out and literally every denuvo release that has been coming out for months now has been cracked within 48 hours.
76561188078797539 3. feb. 2018 kl. 15:12 
Damn, and I went ahead and pre-ordered a few days ago.

Would have so much preferred to get this through GOG. Mrrgh.
LordBlade 3. feb. 2018 kl. 15:13 
You can cancel your pre-order no problem.

You basically are allowed to refund a game you own as long as you've not put 3 hours of play into it. There's also a time limit since owning it I believe, like a week or something.
76561188078797539 3. feb. 2018 kl. 15:19 
Considering going through that.

Haven't had too good of an experience with Steam support before, but then again - I don't contact them that often. Perhaps things have changed since the last time I had to get them involved.
LordBlade 3. feb. 2018 kl. 15:24 
I've never had any problems with them myself. They've been very helpful when I've gotten the odd game that wouldn't run on my system. And I've been able to refund games I'd not put any time in to without issue.
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