Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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What are the ranks of the nobles in game?
Sir Radzig was on the council of King Wenceslas IV according to the game dialogue, so he should be a count at least?
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Първоначално публикувано от Old Man Chimere:
Hanush is acting as a regent for Hans Capon and apparently Sir Divish is a Burgrave. So assuming from the size of all their estates Radzig and Divish owe fealty to Capon so he is most likely a duke.


Първоначално публикувано от Bohema:
So they're all just barons except Divish and Capon are nobles, maybe Hanush is noble too. Radzig is just a yeoman, which were the servant class to the nobles, and so Henry is also not a noble's bastard - which contradicts what Hans Capon says in the epilogue, but explains Radzigs deference to Capon in the cutscenes.


Capon is not a duke. Not only is this historically impossible (the whole of Bohemia was a dutchy until it became a kingdom) but a duke is unbelievably powerful, just below a King. A duke would own tens of thousands of square miles, with hundreds of thousands of citizens and thousands of men at arms. They would own cities and would reside in a massive castle.
Capon owned a modestly sized town which included a small fort. Additionally, Dukes are referred to as 'your grace' which I dont remember Capon being addressed as.

Due to this, as well as Capons real life title being 'Lord of Rattay', not Duke of... or Count of.... he is most likely a Barron which makes the most sense. This is the lowest level of nobility (assuming knights are not nobles, this varies by society) and the game does not take place over a large area. Additionally, while Capon is clearly the highest ranked character, he never shows actual control over Divish or Radzig nor Sasau, This is not to say that Divish and Radzig did not owe him fealty, although there are many ranks below duke.

Divish and Radzig are easy, they are knights. They are referred to as 'Sir' not 'Lord'. This also makes since as knights lorded over a manor. This typically included a palisade or small fortification surrounded by a town, as well as some near by lands/villages.
Последно редактиран от phantombandit; 25 май 2021 в 22:48
I'm chiming in just to clarify. I've seen a bunch of threads with people pulling titles like baron, count, duke, etc. literally out of their own noses. That just doesn't fly. There's no basis for that other than such a poster's imagination, which is often based on later eras or even purely imaginary.

If the relevant character is not a historical character and is not referred to with a title in the game, then there's no basis on which to tell what that person's title may be, if any.

The majority of the nobility at the time in that area were untitled nobles similar to the English gentry of the time (of the 14th/15th century, as opposed to 16th or 17th), among whom knights having received the formal accolade stood head and shoulders above the rest of the generic petty nobility (gentry) of knightly lineage, and above them were the high lords of the realm, often without a formal feudal title, especially in Slavic realms.

While it's possible that the historical Radzig (Racek) was a yeoman, as in born into the highest part of the peasant class, there is some confusion on Wikipedia and elsewhere, where the lowest rungs of Slavic petty nobility are translated as 'yeomen', which is pure nonsense for a number of reasons. Unlike in England, where you could lose your 'gentility' for having to till your own land, in Slavic realms or the HRE knightly lineage forever kept you in the knightly classes. Your status was obviously lower than that of someone of similar birth who could afford to serve as a knight, but you were of the same legal class.

If historical Racek Kobyla was such a member of the lowest rungs of Bohemian equestrian class, then it would not be accurate to translate him into English as a yeoman.

The fact that he is recorded as a landowner with his own coat of arms makes it unlikely that he remained non-noble throughout his entire life, although it is possible that he started out as a non-noble reeve, based on the fact that his historical position during the attack on Skalitz was that of a town overseer and not of a feudal lord. In the game, he's the peasants' liege lord, which means he holds as the castle as a (probably hereditary) fief and is not just the head of the garrison/steward.

A mediaeval Bohemian hetman was a regional military commander in charge of several districts, thus somewhat of a regional governor — an appointed official and not a hereditary fief holder. In some ways this can be loosely compared to late-mediaeval English sheriffs. While English sheriffs were in fact sometimes yeomen (and very often not full knights but mere squires), AFAIK it's unlikely for a non-noble to have been appointment hetman and held that position as a non-noble without being knighted.

There were examples of people in the region and time period holding similar position would being technically noble, the key being 'technically', such as hereditary vogts, schultheisses (reeves, bailiffs) and such like, who though not noble were privileged but also required to show up armed as knights when the king was calling, which means their positions were effectively held by knight's service. And sometimes impoverished nobles sought that position, pretty much like Henry himself in the DLC. However, Racek is recorded as a landowner with a coat of arms, which makes it unlikely for him to have been a prominent reeve never raised to actual nobility throughout his entire life. His position during the historical attack on Skalitz was that of an overseer, not a feudal lord.

As a burgrave of Vysegrad, he was essentially the king's castellan, though in the case of cities such positions could be held by burghers. It was not necessary to be a noble in order to be given command of a town or its defence.

But the in-game Radzig is a knight, and anybody formally bestowed with a full knighthood ceased to be a yeoman (or lower) and became part of the knightly class, whether on a hereditary basis or not. But it was impossible to be both a (full) knight and a yeoman (though it was possible in that part of the world in that eara for a yeoman to be a reeve and for that reason be required to show up for military service armed as a knight, despite perhaps not being one). None of the other 'sirs' in the game are yeomen in the game.


Последно редактиран от NewbieOne; 6 юни 2021 в 21:49
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