Why all the people walk in ragged clothes?

[Yuo better commit sudoku]

Why everyone walks around in ragged clothes? Even the nobility? And town people?
Do devs assume that people in middle ages didn't know how to sew clothes? They were very good at it and even peasants shouldn't walk around in ragged clothes, beggars and hobos maybe lol.
Not to mention that every soldier has dirty armour which is just stupid.

[jfoytek]

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

[Yuo better commit sudoku]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

this is kind of post that is so stupid that I have no words for it
literally, I just don't have words for it lol
shouldn't even ask, could have expected people's ignorance on the topic

if people WERE SO POOR that they couldn't afford clothes then you assume they were walking naked...?
and LOL you also imply they REALLY didn't know how to sew... dude, in those times they HAD to know how to sew and do things on their own because it was matter of well, survival
>needles were expensive
where the hell did you get it from? seriously, it's so random and so stupid at the same time that I am starting to think that you're trolling me
a piece of iron 1g weight was expensive... maybe if it was prehistoric era it would be expensive lol

also, do you really imply that soldiers would... ummm... roll on the ground? because why would their armour magically become dirty at day? maybe during some fight practive, but I hope you realise that if you don't clean steel regulary and conserve it then RUST appears? and rust makes the steel weak
a guard with their armour dirty as they would roll in mud would be immediately kicked out probably

here, take some videos on the topic if you are so arrogant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhfPsSx6DBU&t=

[wat]

I haven't really seen ragged clothes on other than bandits and beggars.

[Destinova]

Maybe it's a bug? Most folks in my game wear pretty colorful clothes. Except the guards that I robbed at night - they stay guard at the gate in panties now. =D

[MattE/Bierbaron]

Low repair skill.. :(

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

Sorry to completely destory you but no, it wasn't and no they didn't walk around with clothes that was broken. At the middle ages people was VERY VERY good at fixing clothing, it was literally a thing people did on their spare time. They was even better at it then we are today since we just buy new clothes when we get holes in them. When it comes to a tailor we can't even imagine the skills they have today. Their stitching and sewing can compete with the works we get from machines today. Can you even imagine how good you will become at sewing after doing it every single day for your whole life?

EDIT:
Also wtf is that "As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford."
Where the ♥♥♥♥ do you get that nonsense from? Do you think a farm didn't have needles and threads? It is like saying a sailor doesn't have rope or a farmer doen't have a hoe because they are to poor. Are you forgetting that before the industrial revolution fabric was actually created on the farms themselves? When the industrial revolution started there was massive protests since people said it will remove the jobs from people.

[Yuo better commit sudoku]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

Sorry to completely destory you but no, it wasn't and no they didn't walk around with clothes that was broken. At the middle ages people was VERY VERY good at fixing clothing, it was literally a thing people did on their spare time. They was even better at it then we are today since we just buy new clothes when we get holes in them. When it comes to a tailor we can't even imagine the skills they have today. Their sticking and sewing can compete with the works we get from machines today. Can you even imagine how good you will become at sewing after doing it every single day for your whole life?

this ^

that on the top probably just assumed that
"lol ppl in middle ages were stooped and poor and dirty too!11!"

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by Yuo better commit sudoku:

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

this is kind of post that is so stupid that I have no words for it
literally, I just don't have words for it lol
shouldn't even ask, could have expected people's ignorance on the topic

if people WERE SO POOR that they couldn't afford clothes then you assume they were walking naked...?
and LOL you also imply they REALLY didn't know how to sew... dude, in those times they HAD to know how to sew and do things on their own because it was matter of well, survival
>needles were expensive
where the hell did you get it from? seriously, it's so random and so stupid at the same time that I am starting to think that you're trolling me
a piece of iron 1g weight was expensive... maybe if it was prehistoric era it would be expensive lol

also, do you really imply that soldiers would... ummm... roll on the ground? because why would their armour magically become dirty at day? maybe during some fight practive, but I hope you realise that if you don't clean steel regulary and conserve it then RUST appears? and rust makes the steel weak
a guard with their armour dirty as they would roll in mud would be immediately kicked out probably

here, take some videos on the topic if you are so arrogant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhfPsSx6DBU&t=

I suppose you believe that clothes were washed every week!

Reality the Great Wash was something done every 3-4 Months!!!

Clothes were soaked in Chamber Lye "Urine" yes that stuff that leaves your body was the bleach of choice for the peasants of the ages!

Normal maintenance of clothing involved rubbing them with frangrant things like flowers or tree branches...

But again you think what you want to think, however the fact's of the time period are that clothing was expensive and the average peasant didnt have much more then 1 outfit or 2 if they were lucky...

[stecph]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

I am seriously courios to know where you got thise "knowledge" from. School? Tv? From where?

[Yuo better commit sudoku]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Originally posted by Yuo better commit sudoku:

this is kind of post that is so stupid that I have no words for it
literally, I just don't have words for it lol
shouldn't even ask, could have expected people's ignorance on the topic

if people WERE SO POOR that they couldn't afford clothes then you assume they were walking naked...?
and LOL you also imply they REALLY didn't know how to sew... dude, in those times they HAD to know how to sew and do things on their own because it was matter of well, survival
>needles were expensive
where the hell did you get it from? seriously, it's so random and so stupid at the same time that I am starting to think that you're trolling me
a piece of iron 1g weight was expensive... maybe if it was prehistoric era it would be expensive lol

also, do you really imply that soldiers would... ummm... roll on the ground? because why would their armour magically become dirty at day? maybe during some fight practive, but I hope you realise that if you don't clean steel regulary and conserve it then RUST appears? and rust makes the steel weak
a guard with their armour dirty as they would roll in mud would be immediately kicked out probably

here, take some videos on the topic if you are so arrogant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhfPsSx6DBU&t=

I suppose you believe that clothes were washed every week!

Reality the Great Wash was something done every 3-4 Months!!!

Clothes were soaked in Chamber Lye "Urine" yes that stuff that leaves your body was the bleach of choice for the peasants of the ages!

Normal maintenance of clothing involved rubbing them with frangrant things like flowers or tree branches...

But again you think what you want to think, however the fact's of the time period are that clothing was expensive and the average peasant didnt have much more then 1 outfit or 2 if they were lucky...

you completely changed the topic because I was talking about
1. ragged CLOTHES and sewing them
2.dirty ARMOUR

and you answer me like if I was talking about dirty clothes lol

you know nothing
you views are stereotypical image of the middle ages as "dark" ages
you have outdated either false knowledge

[andrieu_pizza]

Baron Whatshisname has damaged clothes in my game. Doesn't bother me much.
But I agree that many people look like they've been in a fight.

Sewing was a very common skill and needles were also very common. If you couldn't afford metal needles, you could use bone, antler, wood, plant thorn needles.

People took care of their stuff.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Sorry but it seems that the reality of the day is not the same as your imaginary belief of what things were like back then.

This game does a very good job of depicting what life was infact like... And yes clothes were rare and expensive, when they faded they were turn inside out, when they tore or ripped they were dissassembled and turned into patched worked clothing or quilts. Nobility would have a dedicated seamstress or tailor, but the normal person would not have such a luxury and would need to go to the tailor shop. As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford.

As for the dirty armor thats pretty much standard... have you ever played football in high school? what did you pads look like at the end of the season? a whole 12 - 16 games ? Now imagine you wore those pads every day all day long....

I think you have created a fantasy world in your mind of what you think the middle ages were like.

Sorry to completely destory you but no, it wasn't and no they didn't walk around with clothes that was broken. At the middle ages people was VERY VERY good at fixing clothing, it was literally a thing people did on their spare time. They was even better at it then we are today since we just buy new clothes when we get holes in them. When it comes to a tailor we can't even imagine the skills they have today. Their stitching and sewing can compete with the works we get from machines today. Can you even imagine how good you will become at sewing after doing it every single day for your whole life?

EDIT:
Also wtf is that "As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford."
Where the ♥♥♥♥ do you get that nonsense from? Do you think a farm didn't have needles and threads? It is like saying a sailor doesn't have rope or a farmer doen't have a hoe because they are to poor. Are you forgeting that before the industrial revolution fabric was actually created on the farms themselves? When the industrial evolution started there was massive protests since people said it will remove the jobs from people.

You havent destroyed me at all...

The reason that in some familys like you have described where a woman spent nearly all of here time mending cloth's is because they were not cheap they were expensive items that you did everything you could to try and keep them repaired because replacing clothing was expensive!

Furthermore the best seamstress's were employed bye the nobility to mend there clothing not her husbands clothe's... a Middle class family which would be fairly well to do is what you are describing, where the woman has the resources to mend the clothing... The peasantry or the lowest class more often then not did not have a wife to mend for them, could not afford the thread or needles to mend. Again a farmer is not a peasant, a farmer is Up the social ladder, a tailor is not a peasant he is up the social ladder a blacksmith is up the social ladder...

Clothing was shoddy, it was dirty, it smelt of piss, because it was washed in piss every 3-4 months, they extended the life of items bye turning the cloth inside out when it faded. When it ripped they cut it up and patched it with pieces of other older more worn clothes. Clothing was completely functional and it was expensive. Peasants of the day looked at purchasing a new outfit the way we might consider buying a new car...

[Biggus_Dikkus]

clothing wear off pretty fast on npc's even armor is around 50-60% condition all the time exept main characters

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Sorry to completely destory you but no, it wasn't and no they didn't walk around with clothes that was broken. At the middle ages people was VERY VERY good at fixing clothing, it was literally a thing people did on their spare time. They was even better at it then we are today since we just buy new clothes when we get holes in them. When it comes to a tailor we can't even imagine the skills they have today. Their stitching and sewing can compete with the works we get from machines today. Can you even imagine how good you will become at sewing after doing it every single day for your whole life?

EDIT:
Also wtf is that "As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford."
Where the ♥♥♥♥ do you get that nonsense from? Do you think a farm didn't have needles and threads? It is like saying a sailor doesn't have rope or a farmer doen't have a hoe because they are to poor. Are you forgeting that before the industrial revolution fabric was actually created on the farms themselves? When the industrial evolution started there was massive protests since people said it will remove the jobs from people.

You havent destroyed me at all...

The reason that in some familys like you have described where a woman spent nearly all of here time mending cloth's is because they were not cheap they were expensive items that you did everything you could to try and keep them repaired because replacing clothing was expensive!

Furthermore the best seamstress's were employed bye the nobility to mend there clothing not her husbands clothe's... a Middle class family which would be fairly well to do is what you are describing, where the woman has the resources to mend the clothing... The peasantry or the lowest class more often then not did not have a wife to mend for them, could not afford the thread or needles to mend. Again a farmer is not a peasant, a farmer is Up the social ladder, a tailor is not a peasant he is up the social ladder a blacksmith is up the social ladder...

Clothing was shoddy, it was dirty, it smelt of piss, because it was washed in piss every 3-4 months, they extended the life of items bye turning the cloth inside out when it faded. When it ripped they cut it up and patched it with pieces of other older more worn clothes. Clothing was completely functional and it was expensive. Peasants of the day looked at purchasing a new outfit the way we might consider buying a new car...

So now you are contradicting yourself. You can't state that someone repaired clothes because they was to expensive to buy while saying even having a needle and a thread is so expensive they was forced to walk around in broken clothing and be covered in mud. Those two things does not go together man. They either have the ability to mend there own stuff or they do not. This was never about if they can afford to buy more clothes, but why they do not repair them.

"Furthermore the best seamstress's were employed bye the nobility..."
Just stfu here man. You are being nothing but nonsensical. Who the ♥♥♥♥ gives a ♥♥♥♥ about getting "THE BEST" of anything. It is just about patching up your clothes so they do not have clear holes in them. Do you really need to be a master tailor to do some stitching? I guess I have to be a master then since I can do some decent patch jobs on clothes since that is what you are implying.

"Again a farmer is not a peasant"
..... they literally are. Do you think farmers was wealthy or something. Do you know what cottage industry is? You should look it up. The reason it existed is because farming is an unreliable source of income. A Peasant is the following:
A poor smallholder or agricultural labourer of low social status (chiefly in historical use or with reference to subsistence farming in poorer countries).
Are you telling me all farmers and those that works on farms was wealthy people and not peasants?



"Clothing was shoddy, it was dirty, it smelt of♥♥♥♥♥♥ because it was washed in♥♥♥♥♥♥every 3-4 months, they extended the life of items bye turning the cloth inside out when it faded. When it ripped they cut it up and patched it with pieces of other older more worn clothes. Clothing was completely functional and it was expensive. Peasants of the day looked at purchasing a new outfit the way we might consider buying a new car..."

Now you are just lying. I am going to tell you something here, it has to do with origins of words. I live in Scandinavia, in Sweden. Here Saturday is called Lördag, and that comes from the old word laugr/laug which means bath. In Icelandic you find Saturday being called Laugardagur. During the times of the Vikings people used to bath once a week, that is why Lördag is called Lördag because it is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Bathing Day. The vikings stopped existing 400 years before this game even started you know. Are you going to tell me that people went from bathing every week so the language we use today even reflect it to not ever cleaning themselves or washing their clothes in 3-4 months? Are you serious? You do know that means you only once washed your clothes or cleaned yourself 4 times in a year right? That is nothing but stereotypical lies popculture have invented. Bathing even in the middles ages was a thing for the common people. All that is required is a river or a lake you know, and they most likely did it every week and not every quarter of a year.

[Yuo better commit sudoku]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Sorry to completely destory you but no, it wasn't and no they didn't walk around with clothes that was broken. At the middle ages people was VERY VERY good at fixing clothing, it was literally a thing people did on their spare time. They was even better at it then we are today since we just buy new clothes when we get holes in them. When it comes to a tailor we can't even imagine the skills they have today. Their stitching and sewing can compete with the works we get from machines today. Can you even imagine how good you will become at sewing after doing it every single day for your whole life?

EDIT:
Also wtf is that "As your average person didnt have a needle and thread these were expensive items that a normal person could not afford."
Where the ♥♥♥♥ do you get that nonsense from? Do you think a farm didn't have needles and threads? It is like saying a sailor doesn't have rope or a farmer doen't have a hoe because they are to poor. Are you forgeting that before the industrial revolution fabric was actually created on the farms themselves? When the industrial evolution started there was massive protests since people said it will remove the jobs from people.

You havent destroyed me at all...

The reason that in some familys like you have described where a woman spent nearly all of here time mending cloth's is because they were not cheap they were expensive items that you did everything you could to try and keep them repaired because replacing clothing was expensive!

Furthermore the best seamstress's were employed bye the nobility to mend there clothing not her husbands clothe's... a Middle class family which would be fairly well to do is what you are describing, where the woman has the resources to mend the clothing... The peasantry or the lowest class more often then not did not have a wife to mend for them, could not afford the thread or needles to mend. Again a farmer is not a peasant, a farmer is Up the social ladder, a tailor is not a peasant he is up the social ladder a blacksmith is up the social ladder...

Clothing was shoddy, it was dirty, it smelt of piss, because it was washed in piss every 3-4 months, they extended the life of items bye turning the cloth inside out when it faded. When it ripped they cut it up and patched it with pieces of other older more worn clothes. Clothing was completely functional and it was expensive. Peasants of the day looked at purchasing a new outfit the way we might consider buying a new car...

>he peasantry or the lowest class more often then not did not have a wife to mend for them
um... .... is wife something you buy...? you imply only rich people had wives? I don't really understand that babble lol

>could not afford the thread or needles to mend
are you mentally disabled? you can make a needle out of bone/wood if not iron, it was one of the cheapest things to buy on earth wtf
how do you come up with such ideas?