Did you beat Hans Capon first time?

[cptsavarus]

Like the title says... did you beat him at his archery & sword challenges on your first attempt?
I just did and having seen a few lets-plays of people loosing to him terribly - man that felt gooood!
Only won at archery by 11:10 but thrashed his @rse straight & true with a sword!

Bravo to whoever created the sword training lesson with Captain Bernard - that whole thing really felt like a proper lesson & I love that it wasn't just Henry learning it but me as well.
Then going on to use Bernard's lessons to fight Capon - remembering the moves & getting the execution right... and seeing Henry actually get better at it and even win...so cool!
30-odd years of playing games & I've never seen one that could do this.
Absolutely loving the whole experience!

So did you beat him first time?

[Solace]

I beat him in both.

I thought the sword fight was WAAAAAY too easy..

As far as Archery - Chumps, Archery Contests, and Archery combat are some of the better points of the game, in my opinion... Each bow has its own 'aiming' to get used to, but its fairly consistent once you have 10+ archery from my experience.. I enjoy it, it's effective, and it's not utterly brainless (Aim via shaft, rather than arrow head... I still find myself f***ing that up, but when I pay attention it's nice.)

[cptsavarus]

Have to admit I was a bit surprised by how quickly I won the sword fight - though I wouldn't say it was made obviously easy.
I think part of the idea is that you go from playing with a nice safe wooden sword to all of a sudden fighting a lord with a real one... seems like it's meant to make you panic a bit & fudge it up. Bit of a psyche job like. Quite clever really.

[Herreken]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

Originally posted by PlevisVesel:

You'd have to be really ham-fisted to ♥♥♥♥ up the tutorial

Plenty of people seem to though... so either it's *not* all that easy or some people are just more intuitively predisposed to the controls than others. The game doesn't seem to mind either way.

It was just luck on my part. After the fist fight, the archery, & the hunting I thought there's no way I beat him. So I must've won those by one point or whatever. The only thing I kind of dominated in was the sword fight.

[cptsavarus]

Same here with the archery - that was a total fluke & I only won by 1 point. Swords I felt like I did well and I think he's supposed to suck hard at the hunting, just in case you didn't beat him with the bow & sword.
I came out of that with 9 rabbits (and a deer) & if the reward was his whole catch then he bagged 3, which in 5 hours is below lame for someone who's supposedly been hunting "since he could walk".
Bit of a back-handed reward though really, as you have to ditch most of the catch to not be over-encumbered for the rest of the quest... unless you went back to Talmberg first & retrieved the horse you stole during "Escape". Me... I thought I was supposed to carry it all for him & spent the rest of the quest plodding around over-encumbered by about 70 points... like a muppet! Hehe!

[Samurai08]

Originally posted by A-Space-Turkey:

Originally posted by Kiroshi:

No thanks, I'd rather hear "git gud" over a cheat.

Considering the aiming of the bow is not centered, the flight trajectory of the arrows is not correct, and Henry cannot hold the bow for long or without swaying like a mofo, I would hardly call it a cheat.

I use it to help with aiming and I still miss shots occasionally.

How is it not correct? Wait for the bow to fully draw back and it flies striaght, its not a gun and you dont have a sight so its not gonna fly where a cursor or your eyes are

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

I thought I was supposed to carry it all for him & spent the rest of the quest plodding around over-encumbered by about 70 points... like a muppet! Hehe!

Yup had the same problem here, though I killed 16 Hares. Had 299x Hare Meat... Was walking like 1kmh for hours in real-time. Thankfully that was the only time that happened. Bit slow for my taste.

[Samurai08]

Originally posted by Ⓣ☯Ⓜ:

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

I thought I was supposed to carry it all for him & spent the rest of the quest plodding around over-encumbered by about 70 points... like a muppet! Hehe!

Yup had the same problem here, though I killed 16 Hares. Had 299x Hare Meat... Was walking like 1kmh for hours in real-time. Thankfully that was the only time that happened. Bit slow for my taste.

You should have dropped it its not worth that lol

[Teddy]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

Like the title says... did you beat him at his archery & sword challenges on your first attempt?
I just did and having seen a few lets-plays of people loosing to him terribly - man that felt gooood!
Only won at archery by 11:10 but thrashed his @rse straight & true with a sword!

Bravo to whoever created the sword training lesson with Captain Bernard - that whole thing really felt like a proper lesson & I love that it wasn't just Henry learning it but me as well.
Then going on to use Bernard's lessons to fight Capon - remembering the moves & getting the execution right... and seeing Henry actually get better at it and even win...so cool!
30-odd years of playing games & I've never seen one that could do this.
Absolutely loving the whole experience!

So did you beat him first time?

Second time. Read it was impossible so I decided to give it a try, man ot was easier then I thought.

[AdvancedFollower]

Beat him at the swordfight and hunting, lost by a huge marigin at archery.

The hunting was just ridiculous. I was carrying so much rabbit meat by the end it was just stupid. Dumped in the chest by the camp so I could actually move, and intended to pick it up later and maybe sell it or something but I forgot. It has probably all rotted away by now.

[cptsavarus]

Originally posted by Ⓣ☯Ⓜ:

Yup had the same problem here, though I killed 16 Hares. Had 299x Hare Meat... Was walking like 1kmh for hours in real-time. Thankfully that was the only time that happened. Bit slow for my taste.

So glad I'm not the only one! I mean... that's what a Page does on a hunting trip right - he fetches wine & luggs the catch. I thought that's why he was giving me his... not as a reward but to rip the p1ss & put Henry in his place.
Doh!

Originally posted by JimmiG:

Beat him at the swordfight and hunting, lost by a huge marigin at archery.
The hunting was just ridiculous. I was carrying so much rabbit meat by the end it was just stupid. Dumped in the chest by the camp so I could actually move, and intended to pick it up later and maybe sell it or something but I forgot. It has probably all rotted away by now.

I did try putting it in the chest but I got no "open" icon, so figured it was scripted to only contain the arrows & gear, then not be useable.
Guess if I'd have used it though it just would've sat there & rotted like yours did.

Gods I hate wasting food!

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

So glad I'm not the only one! I mean... that's what a Page does on a hunting trip right - he fetches wine & luggs the catch. I thought that's why he was giving me his... not as a reward but to rip the p1ss & put Henry in his place.
Doh!

Giving you his? I hunted 16 hares myself while Hans was somewhere else in the forest. Did come across him a few times but just did my own thing.

[cptsavarus]

Originally posted by Ⓣ☯Ⓜ:

Giving you his? I hunted 16 hares myself while Hans was somewhere else in the forest. Did come across him a few times but just did my own thing.

Yes, if when you return to the camp at noon you've caught more Hares than Hans, he rewards you by giving you his catch.
As I say, bit of a back-handed reward, since you're most likely already over-encumbered.

I took it as more of a "Humph! Fine, you win then... and your prize dear peasant is to carry my catch as well! Now do keep up!"

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

Yes, if when you return to the camp at noon you've caught more Hares than Hans, he rewards you by giving you his catch.
As I say, bit of a back-handed reward, since you're most likely already over-encumbered.

I took it as more of a "Humph! Fine, you win then... and your prize dear peasant is to carry my catch as well! Now do keep up!"

Pretty sure that didn't happen in my case. I never listen to him. He says follow I say no. Always beat him at everything as well. Seems to be working in both our favours now. He was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He'll get over it. Noticed he is also behaving a lot more mature and friendly now maybe due to how I behaved towards him. I think, psychologically it's the right thing to do - he needs to learn he won't always get his way and that his skills need a lot of work.

[cptsavarus]

That's an interesting take on him.
I'd kind of leant the other way. Once I'd beaten him at archery & swords I felt like "ok, point proven - he took it mostly like a man and he's being pretty cool out on this hunt (if a little self-important), so I'll lay off him a bit & try to fall in line like he's trying to with Hanush".
Lead by example as it were... plus he'd be far more useful to have as an ally than an enemy.

He's a well fleshed-out character though & there's some real depth there that can be read in a number of ways. I read him as just a young lad who's had a lot of expectations put on him that he's not quite ready to live up to. He just wants to be a boy & to be liked - but he's living in the shadow of some serious adults like Hanush & others who are trying to teach him to be a lord. So he tries to live up to their tutelage and it's dull & difficult and boring for him, so he acts out & tries to prove himself to them by pushing others around.
Bit of the old Anakin Skywalker syndrome - too young to be a man but too important to be allowed to remain a boy.

Very cool that a fictional character can be dissected like this I think. He's more interesting than most of the real people I know!

[Herreken]

Originally posted by cptsavarus:

Same here with the archery - that was a total fluke & I only won by 1 point. Swords I felt like I did well and I think he's supposed to suck hard at the hunting, just in case you didn't beat him with the bow & sword.
I came out of that with 9 rabbits (and a deer) & if the reward was his whole catch then he bagged 3, which in 5 hours is below lame for someone who's supposedly been hunting "since he could walk".
Bit of a back-handed reward though really, as you have to ditch most of the catch to not be over-encumbered for the rest of the quest... unless you went back to Talmberg first & retrieved the horse you stole during "Escape". Me... I thought I was supposed to carry it all for him & spent the rest of the quest plodding around over-encumbered by about 70 points... like a muppet! Hehe!

I had no idea you could go back and find that horse.