In search for Stealth Gear (1.2.5)

[D.]

Hi community.
After much soul searching, i came to the conclusion of loving the use of stealth gears. However i rarely see in any discussion of stealth gear on how or where to get them from. So let me share mine, and hopefully you share yours

1. Dark Saxon Gamberson (Body Garment) Vis/Cons/Noise 8/13/0 (Shop)
Early gear for Stealth, you can purchase them from the Tailor in Rattay @ 635.3

2. Tight red hose (Hose) Vis/Cons/Noise 9/9/0 (Roam)
Another good gear, basically the one and only. You can get this from the Armored Mercenary you will encounter on the road. Or if you are brave enough, and already using good gears, head to Skalitz. There is a water milled occupied by bandits, and one of them has the Hose you seek.

3. Black Hood (Outer Garment) Vis/Cons/Noise 6/12/0 (Roam)
This has been a pain to find. There are 3 types of Black hood in the game, all with different Vis/Cons/Noise. The one you are looking for are the ones with 0 Noise, which is not available in any Shops. You can get it by looting at armored Bandit with red colored Gamberson, with a shield and a mace. He and his cronies will most of the time ambush you while travelling on the road

4. Leather Glove *not to be confused with hunter's glove (Gloves) Vis/Cons/Noise 4/4/0 (Roam)
This gear you can find it when you loot those bandits, especially Cumen's archers. You can buy it from the shops, but i do not remember which one was it. You can get it easier by fast travel, or raiding a Cumen camp.

5. Silent Shoe (Boots) Vis/Cons/Noise 17/15/0 (Shop)
Another early game gear, this shoe will not make a sound. It also help to redeuce overall Vis/Cons. You can buy them from the Cobbler at Sasau @ 213.6. For those who has Higher level or Maintenance, go for Leather Boots and fix it regularly with the Stuffing perk to reduce the noise to 0.


With that i complete my list. With only Well Worn perk, my Vis/Cons/Noise are at 17/18/2. The next upgrade would be Lightly Tarred Jacket, which i have not found yet in the game. Many claimed to have it, but without telling where they get it from. Would like to reach out to you guys for aid if anyone remembers where to get it from, or who i have to kill to get it.

Thanks in advance.

*Update, Found a bandit camp with 3 good item for stealth
Light Tarred Jacket
Hunter's Glove
Black Hood

It is from the bandit camp Captain Bernard asked you to wipe out. In between Sasau, Rattay and Ledetchko, west of the cave, north of the Conciliation cross. If you open the map there's a cloud of black smoke.

Another place for Light tarred jacket is when Sir Radzig and Feyfar send you to check in the mines, you will cross an archer in the mines, he is using one togeter with all those who is wearing a straw hat.

Originally posted by Tagemandbagem:

Light tarred jacket on a bandit in the bandit camp W of Sassau.

Credits. Have not reach there yet. Cannot confirm but will roam

Originally posted by Xenomorph:

I also opted for the hooded monk robe (15/13 8, monk's habit), that one that can be looted in the priests house in sassau.

Optional : Monk's habit (Hooder) Vis/Cons/Noise 15/13/8 (Roam)
Location : Sasau armorer, come at night, the 1st chest before going to the 1st floor. Opposite the stairs

[Skaldy]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Skaldy:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1311607068

That is because you are in the forest and have the perk for it. Doesn't mean you are invs in a town.

i dont need to be invis in town. Human made stuff are much better cover

[Squirrel E]

1. Padding Perk
2. Forester Perk
3. ????
4. Profit

Padding anything under 10-20 Noise sets that figure to 0. Silently rob at night in the towns and avoid light, once inside a sleeping residents' home visibility doesn't matter, there is no one to see you. Walk up to their house when no guards are nearby, put away your torch, and then crouch, maybe crouching sooner if you think that's necessary.

Invisibility is only important in the woods due to hostiles and hunting. Vis/Conspic under 30 is reduced to 0 in the woods.

The same logic goes for behaving like a bandit, choosing targets for robbing: wait until they're isolated, either asleep or alone on a road, and visibility doesn't matter at all as long as you approach from behind. If the road is brightly lit and is too wide to count as a wild location, shoot from the trees, or else approach from behind once you understand their walking pattern. Will they turn around and be surprised to see you, or will you strike before their scripted patrol reverses?

Asleep people won't notice you at 0 noise, even if you stealth kill the person next to them (usually). However, a patrol usually notices when someone takes an arrow to the face or finds a knife in his neck. 0/0/0 only occasionally sends them running in all directions looking for the killer when I'm crouched adjacent with a knife, but just as often I'm spotted and need to run for a while in order to regain invisibility, so this approach might be best only if you lack a bow and your opponent has a decent helmet.

Figure out what parts of your outfit push you past that threshold, and find a sneakier, more charismatic, and/or more heavily-armored improvement based on how you would like to spend most of your time in game outside of stealth: more stealth, diplomacy, or dueling. I find it gets annoying switching between outfits in vanilla, and will help you develop your roleplay, rather than get bogged down figuratively and literally by the swiss-army-knife wardrobe in your inventory. If you make henry a powerful swordsman or careful intellectual, his wardrobe ought to reflect that and help him with those skills, rather than running around in underwear because it supposedly improves stealth, but not noticeably. I'll take a fancy hat or a set of armour that I don't have to take off every ten minutes instead, even if it -supposedly- worsens my stealth. Stealth has been too easy so far.

tl;dr Wear whatever you want (especially if it's black) and get the right perks. You can ghost through pretty much the entire game and stealth kill everyone outside of scripted battles with ~ 35/35/15 VCN gear, which should be reduced to 35/35/0 and 0/0/0 in the woods.

[Bandy]

The whole clothing stats situation is buggered up, somebody was drunk on plumb brandy [the type from the wood shed...] when they made and applied these numbers, I'm convinced of it...

[Hawk]

Originally posted by Squirrel E:

1. Padding Perk
2. Forester Perk
3. ????
4. Profit
.

Dude don't be a necro. This is a year old

[Македонский]

Originally posted by Squirrel E:

1. Padding Perk
2. Forester Perk
3. ????
4. Profit

Padding anything under 10-20 Noise sets that figure to 0. Silently rob at night in the towns and avoid light, once inside a sleeping residents' home visibility doesn't matter, there is no one to see you. Walk up to their house when no guards are nearby, put away your torch, and then crouch, maybe crouching sooner if you think that's necessary.

Invisibility is only important in the woods due to hostiles and hunting. Vis/Conspic under 30 is reduced to 0 in the woods.

The same logic goes for behaving like a bandit, choosing targets for robbing: wait until they're isolated, either asleep or alone on a road, and visibility doesn't matter at all as long as you approach from behind. If the road is brightly lit and is too wide to count as a wild location, shoot from the trees, or else approach from behind once you understand their walking pattern. Will they turn around and be surprised to see you, or will you strike before their scripted patrol reverses?

Asleep people won't notice you at 0 noise, even if you stealth kill the person next to them (usually). However, a patrol usually notices when someone takes an arrow to the face or finds a knife in his neck. 0/0/0 only occasionally sends them running in all directions looking for the killer when I'm crouched adjacent with a knife, but just as often I'm spotted and need to run for a while in order to regain invisibility, so this approach might be best only if you lack a bow and your opponent has a decent helmet.

Figure out what parts of your outfit push you past that threshold, and find a sneakier, more charismatic, and/or more heavily-armored improvement based on how you would like to spend most of your time in game outside of stealth: more stealth, diplomacy, or dueling. I find it gets annoying switching between outfits in vanilla, and will help you develop your roleplay, rather than get bogged down figuratively and literally by the swiss-army-knife wardrobe in your inventory. If you make henry a powerful swordsman or careful intellectual, his wardrobe ought to reflect that and help him with those skills, rather than running around in underwear because it supposedly improves stealth, but not noticeably. I'll take a fancy hat or a set of armour that I don't have to take off every ten minutes instead, even if it -supposedly- worsens my stealth. Stealth has been too easy so far.

tl;dr Wear whatever you want (especially if it's black) and get the right perks. You can ghost through pretty much the entire game and stealth kill everyone outside of scripted battles with ~ 35/35/15 VCN gear, which should be reduced to 35/35/0 and 0/0/0 in the woods.

thank you very much!

[SotiCoto]

It is odd how this seems to have changed a few small ways with time...

I'm wearing:

Padded Coif (13 vis / 10 con / 0 noise black variant)
Brown Felt Hat (26 vis / 24 con / 0 noise / 6 cha variant)
Black Hood (the darkest one)
Dark Saxon Gambeson
Leather Gloves
Tight Black Hose (I've never even seen tight red ones)
Quiet Dark Shoes (14/12/0 compared to Silent Shoes 17/15/0, though it makes no difference in practice)

I've also got 17 vis / 20 con / 0 noise as the final result, and this was the maximum amount of armour I could wear without increasing any of the stealth numbers.

Plus I've got Rain Man, Crouching Chameleon, Forester and Stuffing... just in case.


ALL THAT ASIDE... I also got my hands on the pitch black Monk's Habit... and though it is somewhat inferior in terms of stealth (25/25/0 if I remove the hat+coif for aesthetics), I really like the look of it, so I think I'll give it a try for a while and see if my skills can make up the difference.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by SotiCoto:

It is odd how this seems to have changed a few small ways with time...

I'm wearing:

Padded Coif (13 vis / 10 con / 0 noise black variant)
Brown Felt Hat (26 vis / 24 con / 0 noise / 6 cha variant)
Black Hood (the darkest one)
Dark Saxon Gambeson
Leather Gloves
Tight Black Hose (I've never even seen tight red ones)
Quiet Dark Shoes (14/12/0 compared to Silent Shoes 17/15/0, though it makes no difference in practice)

I've also got 17 vis / 20 con / 0 noise as the final result, and this was the maximum amount of armour I could wear without increasing any of the stealth numbers.

Plus I've got Rain Man, Crouching Chameleon, Forester and Stuffing... just in case.


ALL THAT ASIDE... I also got my hands on the pitch black Monk's Habit... and though it is somewhat inferior in terms of stealth (25/25/0 if I remove the hat+coif for aesthetics), I really like the look of it, so I think I'll give it a try for a while and see if my skills can make up the difference.

Well, "stealth gear" is practically unnecessary. i rob houses and traders in full armor

[SotiCoto]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Well, "stealth gear" is practically unnecessary. i rob houses and traders in full armor

Full armour is practically unnecessary. I engage in mass battles in my stealth gear.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by SotiCoto:

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Well, "stealth gear" is practically unnecessary. i rob houses and traders in full armor

Full armour is practically unnecessary. I engage in mass battles in my stealth gear.

Ah yes, fair point - at least until Band of Bastards final battle - that one is a bit tricky in anything but full armor... but that's assuming you are trying to keep everyone else alive.