Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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sokodomo 9/out./2019 às 3:14
[spoiler] is it possible henry to marry a theresa?
since it has to turn out that henry was a bastard of sir radgic, and Radigic said he couldn't have married with henry's mom cuz she wasn't a novel, so is there any chance henry to marry with a theresa? and if they happen to get a childeren, would they gonna be a novel?
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makbthemf 17/jan./2024 às 20:56 
Escrito originalmente por ♚ Messius ♚:
his descendants would not acquire a hereditary noble title, thus they would not be entitled to inherit property and many other things.
I'm sorry, but it's not correct. The laws prohibited inheriting titles for morganatic marriages children were not common until the 16 century. But after the Crisis of feudalism started in the 14th century, heated up estate tensions. So Racek's marriage to Jindřich's mother could easily make him immovable. Hence made his life as a medieval aristocrat impossible, because they were based on informal connections and politics.

Escrito originalmente por ♚ Messius ♚:
it was not so expensive, but weapons could only wear soldiers or nobles.

I'm sorry, but here you're not correct here either. There were no general laws (maybe some local laws existed), that banned 2nd and 3rd estate people, from owning a weapon. Quite the opposite - many cities and sometimes even manor laws made owning a weapon mandatory. Ordinary people were banned from owning weapons in the 16-18 centuries (depending on the country).

Escrito originalmente por ♚ Messius ♚:
Not everyone, not even every knight had horse. It was a very expensive affair. Next problem is armour. The full armour cost as much as the annual earnings of several villages.
1) Every knight had a horse, and even if income didn't allow them to own a charger (40-120 pounds in 14-15th century England) they buried them in debt to buy one because heavy cavalry charge was a basic tactic of the Middle Ages. It was impossible to be knighted in late the Middle Ages without a military career, and before the 14th century knights were literally "heavy cavalrymen".
2) A full set of full plate armor was very expensive (40-60 pounds at least in the late 15th century, England). But in 1403 full-plate armor didn't exist (that's why we couldn't buy it in the game). The best kit we could buy and loot in the game could be priced between 15 and 30 pounds IRL which was quite a sum, but not an enormous one. It was a city weaponsmith year income.
Última edição por makbthemf; 17/jan./2024 às 22:27
makbthemf 17/jan./2024 às 21:27 
Escrito originalmente por Jaunitta 🌸:
Meh, I'm a romantic, and there is chatter of KCD 2. Who knows. Why have their love connection lots of little hints.. Devs will look at the players comments and anything can be under consideration.
I dont think kids would come into the equation. Romance and marriage is part of life and history. that great romance that exceeded royalty and nobility.
Maybe they fight side by side Theresa is really a well trained warrior as they ride off into the sunset with Mutt the dog tagging along. XD
1) they could easily be married before Jindřich got knighted. Wives and children of promoted knights also became nobles. These are not spoilers, but my speculations based on real historical facts, so consider reading wisely, please: Because KCD story is happening in late spring-early summer of 1403 and King Vaclav 4th was rescued in autumn, it seems to be that Jindřich and Jan would be the guys who would rescue him in Kingdom Come 2. And that action is a good reason to be knighted. Especially by such an ill-ruller as Vaclav 4th, which means, that in the end of KC2, we would face a hard choice: be knighted and forget marring Theresa, or choose love, and stay only Prbslavica bailiff and Master of Hunt of Talmberk, but not become a noble.

Escrito originalmente por Jaunitta 🌸:
Remember Henry built his own town.
2) it's not Jindřich's town or even Diviš's town. It's Vaclav's 4th town. Feudal law has two land rights conditions: feudum (fee in English, and fief in French) and allodium (allod in English and French). Feudum is land rented to a nobleman in exchange for service and often some rent percentage, and allodium is a fully owned land (usually before feudalism was established). The Talmberk manor is feudum because Havel Medek of Valdek couldn't make claims on allodium as easily as he could on feudum.

Jindřich is only a bailiff of Prbslavica and master of hunt of Talmberk (if you've chosen to apply the position), not a landlord,
Última edição por makbthemf; 20/jan./2024 às 0:30
makbthemf 17/jan./2024 às 21:52 
Escrito originalmente por Ishan451:
And we know from history Radzic had no one succeed him.
Actually, Raceck Kobyla was succeded by his wife, Anna of Úlibic, because his children were not in age.
Última edição por makbthemf; 17/jan./2024 às 21:53
makbthemf 17/jan./2024 às 22:25 
Escrito originalmente por icecold951:
In RL, Henry would probably quickly correct the assumption he's a knight, as that could have gotten him into trouble.
No, he wouldn't) He's not falsely claiming that he is a noble or knight, which was (and in the UK and some other monarchies still is) a serious felony, it's just other people are mistaken. Also, it was common and legally correct to use terms to avoid clearance of estate where people were born. For example, when he calls himself "Jindřich of Skalitz, envoy of Sir Radzig of Dvorce" he's stating the legally correct truce, and it isn't clear that he's a 3rd estate person. But if he states, for example, that he's a "sir Jindřich of Skalitz, the knight on service of Sir Radzig of Dvorce" he would commit a felony.

It also is true for using crests: only knights with the right to carry crests (banneretus in Latin or bannerets in English) or higher titles (counts, princes, dukes, great dukes, great princes, kings, emperors), and their ancestors to the third generation were allowed to carry the crest in general. There were some local laws, that could exceed the number of generations, depending on the rank of title, and in some jurisdictions, there were no divisions for knights and knights-bannerets. So even if an ordinary knight picked up the crest that nobody used, it was a felony. He could use only a black or unpainted shield or the crest of his suzerain.
makbthemf 17/jan./2024 às 22:47 
Escrito originalmente por 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛:
He'll most probably be legitimised by Wenceslas for his services to Bohemia, and there are many who could account for his actions.
Being legitimized would cause some problems for potential Racek's ancestors, and if my guesses above are correct, Jindřich could make enough to be simply knighted.

Escrito originalmente por 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛:
Although, the circumstances surrounding Radzig's death were rather odd, and apparently he was a robber knight around 1410, 7 years after Skallitz was scourged. Later, the king had ordered for him to be brought to justice, but he was made Burgrave for services to the king.
We actually don't know if that statement in the game is correct, because there's no evidence online in English, that he truly was a robber. However game developers and historical consultants knew the Czech language, so it is obvious that they could found sources in the Czech and the statement is correct. However we couldn't check the source itself, and his authority or interest in those statements. So it's at least questionable because there are some historical mistakes in the game.

Escrito originalmente por 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛:
He was one of the many nobles to be killed by Hussites in the region.
Racek Kobyla was a Hussite himself, he was killed by Papists, not Hussites.
Última edição por makbthemf; 17/jan./2024 às 22:49
Escrito originalmente por ♚ Messius ♚:
Those who don't know Czech history don't know what is coming, so be prepared. :)
KCD Hitler?
Biggs 23/jan./2024 às 13:48 
i dont understand why henry would marry teresa when there are other candidates out there who are not "bags of hammers" as they say in my land
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