Speech Check

[Wulfward]

How can th Speech Check fail, when the person I talked was at 14(Speech level) and myself at 16(base 13, but 16 with the buffs)

[Lieste]

I am considerably better at 'speech' than you... now obey my every whim.

or... perhaps what it is which is being asked for matters to the skill check?
If you want to do what is asked I don't have to be very persuasive. If you strongly oppose my suggested course of action or stated opinion you might refuse outright and report any (by your opinion) inappropriate action to Steam moderation, or your (or my) local law enforcement.

Henry faces similar problems with persuasion when his plan clashes with other people's. How much the other person cares about the topic matters more than skill level. Choose the option which matches the other person's likely desire line, rather than the one which will cause offence. When you put someone's back up, then you are far more likely to be refused.

[Carlos]

I think it's only a CHANCE to succeed, based on the difference between yours and NPC speech. From what I've seen if there is only one or two points of difference it absolutely can fail. If there is four or more points of difference it rarely fails.

[Wulfward]

Originally posted by Lieste:

I am considerably better at 'speech' than you... now obey my every whim.

or... perhaps what it is which is being asked for matters to the skill check?
If you want to do what is asked I don't have to be very persuasive. If you strongly oppose my suggested course of action or stated opinion you might refuse outright and report any (by your opinion) inappropriate action to Steam moderation, or your (or my) local law enforcement.

Henry faces similar problems with persuasion when his plan clashes with other people's. How much the other person cares about the topic matters more than skill level. Choose the option which matches the other person's likely desire line, rather than the one which will cause offence. When you put someone's back up, then you are far more likely to be refused.

Hmm, sadly it was the only option besides just giving up (the talk with the wounded in sasau, when this weird dude want to hold dinner with the female healer

[Wulfward]

Originally posted by Carlos77:

I think it's only a CHANCE to succeed, based on the difference between yours and NPC speech. From what I've seen if there is only one or two points of difference it absolutely can fail. If there is four or more points of difference it rarely fails.

Hmm, reputation maybe is important too then :/
Ok thanks ^^

[WanderingWizard]

There are certain situations where you can't talk your way out of them.

[Wulfward]

Originally posted by WanderingWizard:

There are certain situations where you can't talk your way out of them.

Oh, :( even when its offering a speech check?

[Lieste]

It isn't a pass/fail speech check, only a comparison of the oratory/apparent status/threat or might of the situation. You can modify these to a limited extent (changing clothes, washing... or wearing bloodied swords and armour and separating one guard from his friends before attempting to intimidate him)... but mostly this is just the 'playing field'.

Now you also have to choose the *way* you will persuade. Trying to intimidate someone who only wants an easy life and to wake up tomorrow is easier than intimidating someone who's reputation depends on their integrity or nobility, even if they are less 'mighty'.

Telling a 'noble' what he must do... possibly going to go down less well than asking for his help.

Telling someone a lie, when they know the truth.. going to fail. Telling someone the truth when they suspect something else instead... might be more flexible... as would telling someone a lie when they have no idea.

[WanderingWizard]

Originally posted by Wulfward|ᚨᚱᛏᚢᛋ:

Originally posted by WanderingWizard:

There are certain situations where you can't talk your way out of them.

Oh, :( even when its offering a speech check?

I suspect so but others can confirm. It could also be that it's possible in every situation to get through a speech check technically, but that you are almost certainly not going to have those stats at that part of the game. I'm unsure if every single interaction has the possibility of a successful peaceful outcome if you pick the right option, but again especially early in the game you might just not have the stats.

[Wulfward]

Thank you :)

So its deeper than I thought, oh that is nice

[Jaunitta 🌸]

I believe your reputation in that town is tied to your speech success somehow.

[Wulfward]

Originally posted by Jaunitta 🌸:

I believe your reputation in that town is tied to your speech success somehow.

I tested and yes it is
Was 5 points higher then the guard and he just calls me a filthy liar :(

[Jaunitta 🌸]

haha..Go to bathhouse have a bath shave haircut clothes washed wear something nice good shoes :)

[Wulfward]

Originally posted by Jaunitta 🌸:

haha..Go to bathhouse have a bath shave haircut clothes washed wear something nice good shoes :)

I use the herb perk so even with dirty armour and such its around 14-15 charisma ^^

[stormarmy]

I failed a speech check to get let off of a fine because I was poor when my speech was like 18 total and his was about 8 or 9, and failed and went to jail.

Later on in another playthrough I passed one to get away with 4 murders in the street when my speech was only 1 level higher.

The speech check system is broken tbh

If it told you what the mitigating and aggrivating factors are I wouldnt care so much, but trial and erroring your way through the speech system is just dumb.

Like the last guard still wanting to have a go and not being frightened of you after putting 7 of his mates to the sword in front of him it's ridiculous.

[WanderingWizard]

Originally posted by stormarmy:

I failed a speech check to get let off of a fine because I was poor when my speech was like 18 total and his was about 8 or 9, and failed and went to jail.

Later on in another playthrough I passed one to get away with 4 murders in the street when my speech was only 1 level higher.

The speech check system is broken tbh

If it told you what the mitigating and aggrivating factors are I wouldnt care so much, but trial and erroring your way through the speech system is just dumb.

Like the last guard still wanting to have a go and not being frightened of you after putting 7 of his mates to the sword in front of him it's ridiculous.

Well, you're right that the system doesn't make total sense. In Skyrim, if you commit a crime or attack guards you are persona non grata (subject to arrest or death) in the entire province. In this game, I killed a civilian because I accidentally shot him with an arrow and I wanted to make sure it wouldn't come down on me--- and what happened? In the next town I rode through I was attacked by the guards and asked to pay a fine of 80 gold. I'm almost positive that nobody else witnessed the crime. I paid because I had 50K gold.

But your query of the the last guard of 7 standing his post and going down fighting? That's honor and duty. If I'm faced with that I would hope to do the same--- probably wouldn't.