Man finally did beat the game, some story questions:

[Blitzwing]

Man finally did beat the game, some story questions:

1- Why is there no rescue mission? I am pretty sure it should be noticed if creo as large company with many people doesn't respond to outside.

2- Why do have the leaders neuro links? What for ? They dont work.


3- What was Sallys intention ?

4- Why did they not notice utopias side effects?


5 Ok I understand the singularity part?
but why are all creo workers and security crazy, but not your protagonist?
there are only a handfull people not crazy. Why ?

6 Why are you after beating the game forced for game+, there are still a lot of areas I did not discover. So it should be optional after beating the last boss.

7 Why can't you properly save and have only 1 save file, cmon.
What if the one save files gets corrupted.

[Mr. Boniface]

Hey man. GJ on beating The Surge.


1 - There is. You can listen military men during the ending.

2 - By "leaders", you mean the Board ? They don't have neural link. And I have no idea what those chairs are.
The only thing sure in my mind is that Rogue Process killed the Board members.

3 - I think of Sally as a supportive AI, more than a free willed AI. She's here to make sure everyone on the Board is OK and everything works properly for them. Since she got her access revoked by Rogue Process, she was trying to use Warren and Mallory Stark to manually change that, and be "reunited" with the Board.
If I remember correctly during the event of the Board room, Sally's only concern is the health of Leonard Hayes, not the launch of Utopia.

4 - Utopia or Project Resolve ?

5 - Warren arrived at CREO in the last train, just before the station closed. So it was probably at the end of the day, and was the only passenger. I suppose the system got surged by R.P. when his rigged was been installed on him. Hence the absence sedatif... oof

[Dave_Jame]

Last two question
Both are design choices. While the NG+ has no reason to be, the One save slot is due to the irreversible nature of the player-s actions

[Adeon Hawkwood]

Here are my opinions on the answer:

1. The game takes place over a relatively short time period (a couple of days max) the military does send a mission in during the final cutscene (maybe only in the good ending, I forget?) but Warren's story plays out before that.

2. I assume you're talking about the board of directors. My assumption would be that the neural links allow them to interface directly with the computers allows them to issue instructions to robots and workers more efficiently. There's a concept in management about how many direct reports one individual can effectively manage (I forget the exact term). Increasing that count with technology allows for a more streamlined management structure which would explain the neural links.

3. The lockdown had cut her off from interfacing with the board's neural links. She wanted you to release the lockdown so that she could access their links and hopefully save the lives of the remaining board members. She was a medical AI so her primary directive was to provide medical support to the board members.

4. There's a question here about who knew what. Barett definitely knew about Utopia turning people into cyborgs, he considered that a good thing. It's not entirely clear how much the board knew. They knew it would kill most humans although it's not clear to me if they knew it would turn the rest into cyborgs.

5. Statistics. The Surge drove most of the implanted workers crazy but some (Hobbs, Beckett etc.) were either unaffected or only partially affected. In Warren's case it seems like The Surge happened either during or just before he received his implant which is why he wasn't affected. It's also possible that the pain he was in due to the lack of anesthetic overwhelmed his mind and saved him.

6. This was a game design and story decision. Allowing you to continue playing after the final boss would conflict with the story.

7. This one is also a design decision. It's something that's pretty standard for the genre, a single save is intended to discourage save scumming with the intent being that once you make a decision it's done. Sure it can suck if your file gets corrupted but it is possible to backup your save file if this is a concern.

[Mr. Boniface]

Hey there Aedon Hawkwood.

Thank you for sharing what you know. I didn't knew/remember that Sally was a medical AI. And that fit perfectly what I was thinking about her !
I want to ask you about some stuff I'm not sure, if you would. And correct you on something.


2 - That what the neural link is to me : https://imgur.com/RK8x7t9
And none of the board members have one. Also, considering the blood all around the table, I'm pretty sure the "metal arm thing" has been forced in their body. Or at least, I was...
Could you try to remember the audiolog or dialogue supporting your theory please ?


4 - Alright, so this is the big lore part :

Chavez was in charge of Project Resolve. When she and the CREO executive discovered its side-effects, they obviously were desperate to find a solution. That's when Barett presented Project Utopia. He was working on nano-technology and with it, he found a way to "boost" Resolve and named it Project Utopia. Basically, it was Resolve but hundred of times stronger.

Project Resolve side-effects were slowly killing humanity, and by the time it'll heal the Earth, humanity would have been crippled beyond repair. Unlike its predecessor, Utopia would have wipe out 94,7% of the population and "heal" the projected atmoshere completly. Utopia is a cataclysm.

But Barret had a plan to ensure "humanity survival". The ♥♥♥♥-Machinalis. It was his personal project and what he believes to be, the next evolution of human kind.
It's not Utopia that transform people into cyborgs, but humanity that chose to "evolve" into cyborgs.

[Adeon Hawkwood]

Regarding the board neural links I don't think it's specifically spelled out but it fits with what we see. The board members have a cable of some sort plugged into their necks and the computer system is clearly monitoring their status (the vote results change when the last guy dies). My assumption for why the neural link looks different than Warren's is that unlike his it's removable (since I doubt the board members live in those chairs) and is possibly designed for higher bandwidth communications (which would fit with the management multiplier theory).

Regarding the second part, from what I can tell both the Utopia payload and the ♥♥♥♥-Machinalis conversion are offshoots of the same nano-tech research. It's hard to say for sure exactly where one project begins and the other end. Barret seems to have developed both in parallel so I tend to consider ♥♥♥♥-Machinalis to be part of project Utopia but you could definitely argue that either way.

[Terra Blade]

Originally posted by Adeon Hawkwood:

4. There's a question here about who knew what. Barett definitely knew about Utopia turning people into cyborgs, he considered that a good thing. It's not entirely clear how much the board knew. They knew it would kill most humans although it's not clear to me if they knew it would turn the rest into cyborgs.

They did know, there was one message you get after a boss fight that has one of the "good" directors saying we (which was the general public) needed to know what Utopia actually was. Plus the Creo news messages made it clear there was a divide in the board over it. Pretty sure they knew about the cyborg aspect as Barett didn't make any attempt to hide the "prototypes" from the "inspector", and when confronted told us to go back to the tower and our "master's" to hide because it was to late for cold feet.

Originally posted by Adeon Hawkwood:

5. Statistics. The Surge drove most of the implanted workers crazy but some (Hobbs, Beckett etc.) were either unaffected or only partially affected. In Warren's case it seems like The Surge happened either during or just before he received his implant which is why he wasn't affected. It's also possible that the pain he was in due to the lack of anesthetic overwhelmed his mind and saved him.

My personal theory is the surge is why we started with a broken power core. The core gave out before it got to our brain. Considering the core is what supports the implants and it zooms in on the back of Warren's head it suggests that the core at least is in the way of getting to his brain.

So I think it has more to do with a fault in the production of their cores, which is ironic because everyone who didn't have this fault gets fried. At least partially, as the two character's who go crazy suggest.

[Blitzwing]

Its still weird that it was possible to fry their brains, I mean we know by each toaster that can happen, so directly by humans sounds crazy.

Seems like the project resulted in "singularity" and as they were about to shut it down, it did shut down creo. Would explain why all people who were not attached to the system did stay sane.

[En1gma]

Who's Mallory Stark?

[Adeon Hawkwood]

Originally posted by En1gma:

Who's Mallory Stark?

She was another new employee who arrived at the facility shortly before Warren. She also attempted to reach the Executive area but unlike Warren didn't make it. You can figure out her story from some of her audio logs scattered around the levels.

[En1gma]

K thank