FINAL FANTASY IX

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Phubs 2016 年 2 月 10 日 下午 7:07
Do using Boosters disable Achievements?
Anyone know yet? I sure hope so... for the sake of me even bothering to play.
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Chewy 2016 年 2 月 12 日 上午 10:07 
I am about to make this whole thread pointless...

S.A.M. Steam Achievement Manager

That's right you can hack any Steam game achievements you want. So what does this mean? It doesn't matter if the boosters don't disable achievements because you can always hack achievements. I've hacked a few achievements that are just a waste of time, not fun, boring, etc... I do achievements as if they are side quests. If a side quest is just a mindless grind and no reward (except a popup) then I say f it. I hack it to check it off the list and move on to another side quest/achievement. You follow? I use it as a list of things I think will be fun. Some people are competitive achievement hunters and i respect that, not me though. i do it for personal fun and to just mellow out.
D 2016 年 2 月 12 日 上午 10:21 
引用自 Chewy
I am about to make this whole thread pointless...

S.A.M. Steam Achievement Manager

That's right you can hack any Steam game achievements you want. So what does this mean? It doesn't matter if the boosters don't disable achievements because you can always hack achievements. I've hacked a few achievements that are just a waste of time, not fun, boring, etc... I do achievements as if they are side quests. If a side quest is just a mindless grind and no reward (except a popup) then I say f it. I hack it to check it off the list and move on to another side quest/achievement. You follow? I use it as a list of things I think will be fun. Some people are competitive achievement hunters and i respect that, not me though. i do it for personal fun and to just mellow out.

I've mentioned this so many times, but people still insist game boosters ruined achievements for this game
Zunnoab #931 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:06 
引用自 GoldenGoat
Achievements are not disabled when boosters are activated.

Which means you can now yell "CHEATER" whenever somebody says they beat Ozma or got Excalibur 2.
Nah, it's obvious most people don't do this. Rare achievements are still rare. Besides, I look at achievements as a personal checklist and not some bizarre bragging right.
Hansuke 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:25 
I still don't understand why people get so personal over this. lol It's not a competitive game at all by all mean unless you are speed running. However, if you are speed running you are following guide lines anyways... People are going to cheat if you like it or not. Even without boosters. If people are getting this emotional over this. I seriously recommend theropy. As you are letting others control your emotions. That is on you and no one else. I personally like these cheats. Why? I beat the game over 20 times. It's nice to be able to speed through things. That is my own personal opinion. Don't let it offend you. As if it does offend you. That is on you not me.

Oh I should also mention. I will be using a trainer to reset my timer to get Excal II. Just saying. ;)
最後修改者:Hansuke; 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:26
Phubs 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 1:47 
Jesus... I feel like Tom Hanks. " LOOK WHAT I HAVE CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!" " I................... HAVE MADE ANGER!!!!"
Pangolin Legends: Arceus 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 Shirayuki474
Are you guys serious, since when achievements on steam were any kind of competition and show of skill/whatever?

Since they added global leaderboards.
Zunnoab #931 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:34 
引用自 #16
引用自 Shirayuki474
Are you guys serious, since when achievements on steam were any kind of competition and show of skill/whatever?

Since they added global leaderboards.
Who is they? Either way, it's still a single player game. I like how Valve has a hands off approach to this. The numbers prove it's not some big 'problem' anyway, other than for people who want to obsess over things that do not affect them at all.
[☥] - CJ - 2016 年 2 月 12 日 下午 3:20 
The Boosters may be stupid to some people, but they can enhance replayability.

Play the game normally
Beat the game
Start a new game
Enable boosters to screw around and have extra fun

Done deal.
Orphy 2016 年 2 月 13 日 上午 11:08 
引用自 BaHaMuT
引用自 orrphalesianprophet
Sorry, but I can't decide if this is more elitist thinking or just plain being a drama queen...

As somebody who is very unlikely to use any of those boosters AND doesn't care about achievement I gotta say; who really cares?
Let everybody play how they want, why does some people using those things to get a coloured icon on Steam lessen your enjoyment?

People like you will never get it.

You misunderstood my post, I don't disagree with the use of boosters and I don't even care about how people play the game, they can play it in anyway they see fit. PROBLEM HERE IS UNLOCKING ACHIEVEMENTS WITH BOOSTERS, many potential achievements of this game are hardcore as f.u.ck like the Excalibur II one or Ozma's. Achievements are made to be gotten by YOUR OWN MERITS, NOT BY CHEATING.

It would be a real let down that such a hardcore game with a lot of difficulty potential, ends up ported as a newbie re.tar.ded friendly sh.it

lol,

I get it honey-bunny, you are upset that people use publisher-provided cheat devices to maybe, perhaps, possibly, unlock coloured icons on their steam accounts.
What I really don't understand is why the coloured icons bother you so much, especially in a game like Final Fantasy.
Or why'd you ovveract to such an extend as to deprive yourself of something you'd enjoy because of how some other people choose to use it.
That's like if an avid digital artist refused to use painting programs anymore because some people use it to trace artwork.

Do you play it for the story and enjoyable gameplay? Or do you play it to brag about your coloured icons to....somebody....maybe your goldfish...
The steam achievements in FF games are extraordinary useless. Almmost as much as the ones in Telltale games.

I don't get the appeal of the boosters either, I take my game challanges seriously. Though I actually might use the no encounter one occassionally to explore some beautiful place (of which FF IX is exceedingly rich) in peace after clearing it. Like looking around Bumercia in peace without worrying about that annoying flash and axolotl dragon things every few steps.
Do others use it to make the game ridiculously easy and take all challange out of it? Pfft, what do I care?
D 2016 年 2 月 13 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 orrphalesianprophet
Do others use it to make the game ridiculously easy and take all challange out of it?

I dont feel like either the Auto-Save feature or the No Encounters boosters make the game any "easier." No encounters removes randomness, which, to be fair, isn't really "hard" per se. In the context of the E2PG ("perfect" file including excalibur 2), it would merely remove tedious resets that really only serve to waste time and make the E2PG take longer than it should. For a "casual" play through, I could see it maybe increasing the challenge a bit by mitigating randomness that an inexperienced player doesn't know how to handle, but for any "serious" challenges of the game outside of RTA speedrunning, the Speed booster and auto save really only serve as Quality of Life improvements. I.e. an E2PG on PSX (like I have) is not inherently more worthy/substantial/true than an E2PG file on PC (I'm going to have) which makes use of the No Encounters booster and Auto-saves... the only real difference is one spent a lot more time on things out of the player's hands than the other.

I'll give it to you that the rest of the boosters definitely detract from certain challenging aspects of the game. (E2 with super speed, level 99/9999 mode, full trance/hp, etc.)
最後修改者:D; 2016 年 2 月 13 日 上午 11:41
Orphy 2016 年 2 月 13 日 上午 11:58 
引用自 donniesmithers
引用自 orrphalesianprophet
Do others use it to make the game ridiculously easy and take all challange out of it?

I dont feel like either the Auto-Save feature or the No Encounters boosters make the game any "easier." No encounters removes randomness, which, to be fair, isn't really "hard" per se. In the context of the E2PG ("perfect" file including excalibur 2), it would merely remove tedious resets that really only serve to waste time and make the E2PG take longer than it should. For a "casual" play through, I could see it maybe increasing the challenge a bit by mitigating randomness that an inexperienced player doesn't know how to handle, but for any "serious" challenges of the game outside of RTA speedrunning, the Speed booster and auto save really only serve as Quality of Life improvements. I.e. an E2PG on PSX (like I have) is not inherently more worthy/substantial/true than an E2PG file on PC (I'm going to have) which makes use of the No Encounters booster and Auto-saves... the only real difference is one spent a lot more time on things out of the player's hands than the other.

I'll give it to you that the rest of the boosters definitely detract from certain challenging aspects of the game. (E2 with super speed, level 99/9999 mode, full trance/hp, etc.)

Yeah it was a bad example. I have no experience with gameboosters, but wouldn't a no encounter booster actually make the game ridiculously hard if one was to use it constantly without ever turning it off.? You need random encounters to level, after all (but not THAT many re, I agree -_-)
I was talking about the other boosters.

But my main point was really that everybody is allowed to play with tier toys as they like and it's pretty useless to get upset about how others play. It's a story-focused single player game even if people were to cheat their way through, it doesn't hurt or disadvantage anybody else playing their own, single-player, offline version of Final Fantasy IX.
I don't even get were people get this idea that any Final Fatasy game is compedative, in any way...
Crono 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 12:04 
It''s irritating that devs want to control how you play a game and many have opposed cheat devices like Game Genie but to hear other players want to control how you play, well that's just insane.

If this is the result of achievements, then I want them gone ASAP.
D 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 12:05 
引用自 orrphalesianprophet
引用自 donniesmithers

I dont feel like either the Auto-Save feature or the No Encounters boosters make the game any "easier." No encounters removes randomness, which, to be fair, isn't really "hard" per se. In the context of the E2PG ("perfect" file including excalibur 2), it would merely remove tedious resets that really only serve to waste time and make the E2PG take longer than it should. For a "casual" play through, I could see it maybe increasing the challenge a bit by mitigating randomness that an inexperienced player doesn't know how to handle, but for any "serious" challenges of the game outside of RTA speedrunning, the Speed booster and auto save really only serve as Quality of Life improvements. I.e. an E2PG on PSX (like I have) is not inherently more worthy/substantial/true than an E2PG file on PC (I'm going to have) which makes use of the No Encounters booster and Auto-saves... the only real difference is one spent a lot more time on things out of the player's hands than the other.

I'll give it to you that the rest of the boosters definitely detract from certain challenging aspects of the game. (E2 with super speed, level 99/9999 mode, full trance/hp, etc.)

Yeah it was a bad example. I have no experience with gameboosters, but wouldn't a no encounter booster actually make the game ridiculously hard if one was to use it constantly without ever turning it off.? You need random encounters to level, after all (but not THAT many re, I agree -_-)
I was talking about the other boosters.

But my main point was really that everybody is allowed to play with tier toys as they like and it's pretty useless to get upset about how others play. It's a story-focused single player game even if people were to cheat their way through, it doesn't hurt or disadvantage anybody else playing their own, single-player, offline version of Final Fantasy IX.
I don't even get were people get this idea that any Final Fatasy game is compedative, in any way...

Not necessarily a bad example, just replace "easy" with "less tedious" and I agree 100%

Even a Level 1 game in itself isn't "hard" per se, it's just really random, resetting until your characters don't get wiped out (weapons/equipment are where most of the damge comes from in IX, so level and stats other than spirit and speed are largely irrelevant to character offensiveness).

Being able to hit 9999 on Sealion, for instance, is a different story. THAT trivializes things, and definitely makes it "easy".
Orphy 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 12:21 
引用自 donniesmithers

Even a Level 1 game in itself isn't "hard" per se, it's just really random, resetting until your characters don't get wiped out (weapons/equipment are where most of the damge comes from in IX, so level and stats other than spirit and speed are largely irrelevant to character offensiveness).

Being able to hit 9999 on Sealion, for instance, is a different story. THAT trivializes things, and definitely makes it "easy".

But it's not just damage and defence; HP and MP are also a big factor, as well as the money and AP you gain from encounters. If somebody played the whole game with random encounters switched off, wouldn't they eventually hit a point where the next boss (or even scripted encounter) could simply one-shot them with normal attacks because of their low HP?
In addition they'd have to rely on getting their gil from infrequent findings and selling old equipment (which they'd need for synthesis anyway) and they'd have only very few abilities, many of which they wouldn't be able to use much/at all because of their low MP.
I imagine it would get very difficult eventually.

But I honestly understand very little about low-level or max stat runs and all that, so I might be totally wrong.
最後修改者:Orphy; 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 12:21
BaHaMuT 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 12:51 
引用自 orrphalesianprophet
引用自 BaHaMuT

People like you will never get it.

You misunderstood my post, I don't disagree with the use of boosters and I don't even care about how people play the game, they can play it in anyway they see fit. PROBLEM HERE IS UNLOCKING ACHIEVEMENTS WITH BOOSTERS, many potential achievements of this game are hardcore as f.u.ck like the Excalibur II one or Ozma's. Achievements are made to be gotten by YOUR OWN MERITS, NOT BY CHEATING.

It would be a real let down that such a hardcore game with a lot of difficulty potential, ends up ported as a newbie re.tar.ded friendly sh.it

lol,

I get it honey-bunny, you are upset that people use publisher-provided cheat devices to maybe, perhaps, possibly, unlock coloured icons on their steam accounts.
What I really don't understand is why the coloured icons bother you so much, especially in a game like Final Fantasy.
Or why'd you ovveract to such an extend as to deprive yourself of something you'd enjoy because of how some other people choose to use it.
That's like if an avid digital artist refused to use painting programs anymore because some people use it to trace artwork.

Do you play it for the story and enjoyable gameplay? Or do you play it to brag about your coloured icons to....somebody....maybe your goldfish...
The steam achievements in FF games are extraordinary useless. Almmost as much as the ones in Telltale games.

I don't get the appeal of the boosters either, I take my game challanges seriously. Though I actually might use the no encounter one occassionally to explore some beautiful place (of which FF IX is exceedingly rich) in peace after clearing it. Like looking around Bumercia in peace without worrying about that annoying flash and axolotl dragon things every few steps.
Do others use it to make the game ridiculously easy and take all challange out of it? Pfft, what do I care?

Unlike you I play them for the challenges/superbosses and achievements as the main goal, but yes, I also pretty much enjoy FF plot and gameplay, as a secondary aspect.

If Steam achievements are useless for you or are not as important, why do you bother to buy this game on Steam if the only relevant difference between both versions of the game are the achievements?

You can perfectly emulate the game in pretty much any computer and use epsxe graphic plugins to enhance graphic quality, oh, and without the achievements that bother you so much, so yep, you shouldn't be wasting money on this version.

But hey, not all hopes are lost, I really expect they don't screw up with the booster's stuff and disable achievements with the use of boosters. If not, well, I won't buy it, plain simple....... oh, or I can wait for retailers to sell the key $1 USD, a cheatable-by-default game is not more worth than that.
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