FINAL FANTASY IX

FINAL FANTASY IX

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bossmanham Dec 22, 2017 @ 12:02am
Chocobo Hot and Cold
Is the worst thing in the world. Half the time you sit there digging with the Kwehhhhh!!!! and you find jack. The fact I have to do this for hours to get a few specific Chocographs in order to upgrade my Chocobo is maddening.

The only bad part of the game honestly.
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Kerobe Dec 22, 2017 @ 12:13am 
I like the chocobo system in final fantasy 9
the bad part for me is Tetra master... (i miss you Triple Triad)
Escartin Dec 22, 2017 @ 12:45am 
Originally posted by bossmanham:
Is the worst thing in the world. Half the time you sit there digging with the Kwehhhhh!!!! and you find jack. The fact I have to do this for hours to get a few specific Chocographs in order to upgrade my Chocobo is maddening.

The only bad part of the game honestly.

Well....It's tedious if you want to do all in one time..
If you do it with calm, when you want to do it, in dead moment when you have no time to go on with history it's not tedius..

However Chocobo's quest is very important in this game and not for upgrading the chocobo, but for the treasure you will find...FFIX is the Final Fantasy in where Chocobo's quest is the most important maybe, more then FFVII. You' ll find 30 ( i think..The number is that circa) chests with hidden trasures, and every chests has a very great reward.
I would say that searchin chocographs could became tedius ( but not too much I have to say) but the treasures you will find are wonderful so you have a correct reward.

I never find it tedius however..You find the chocograph fast in the end...I suggest you to wait for hilda garde III before searching all the trasures.
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Escartin Dec 22, 2017 @ 12:52am 
Originally posted by Kerob3:
I like the chocobo system in final fantasy 9
the bad part for me is Tetra master... (i miss you Triple Triad)

There is a great difference betwen triple triad and Tetra Master.
Triple triad is needed in FFVIII to get important items...In FFIX the Tetra Master is just an optional Game and playing it you don't get rewards of any Kind...

Triple triad is very simple and linear and indeed it is very important playing it to get important items ( Transcard said nothing?!!)..
Tetra Master is just a Game inside the game..If you want learning to play it Ok, if you don't want playing it nothing change, you don't lose items or rewards...In FFVIII if you don't play Triple triad it's a problem...Transcard give you a lot of rare items...In FFVIII Triple triad is connected to the game. In FFIX Tetra master is just something more..
IN FFIX Chocobo secondary mission could be compared to triple triad..IN FFVIII if you don'tplay cards you lose a lot a rare items..The same is in FFIX if you don't commplete Chocobo Sidequest...In FFIX the secondary game connected to game is the one of Chocobo..Not the tetra-master....

Indeed Tetra-Master is too hard.

I' ve learned playing Tetra Master and now I prefer it to Triple triad wich is too much easy....But I repeat, in FFVIII YOU HAVE TO PLAY TRIPLE TRIAD!! IN FFIX you can play Tetra Master..Just if you want...
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Kerobe Dec 22, 2017 @ 1:00am 
i know how works FFVIII and IX, i didn't ask a lesson
And yes, Triple Triad >>>>>> Tetra Master by far FOR ME

And like i said, Tetra Master is the bad part in FF IX FOR ME (minigame or not, important or not i don't care)

And you DON'T HAVE TO play Triple Triad, you can play the game without breaking it and one shoot everything on CD1 to the end
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Escartin Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:19am 
Originally posted by Kerob3:
i know how works FFVIII and IX, i didn't ask a lesson
And yes, Triple Triad >>>>>> Tetra Master by far FOR ME

And like i said, Tetra Master is the bad part in FF IX FOR ME (minigame or not, important or not i don't care)

And you DON'T HAVE TO play Triple Triad, you can play the game without breaking it and one shoot everything on CD1 to the end


You don't have to play Triple triad in FFVIII like you don't have to make Chocobo's sidequest in FFIX....In both the case however you would lose importants item for the game...In FFVIII Triple triad is suggested to be played by the authors like Chocobo in FFIX..Transcard abilities talk from itself, and the item you obtein with this ability are similar ( like importance) to the item you gain with Chocobo in FFIX.
Tetra master..No...Indeed neither the rules are explained at the beginning of the game..Just very later in the game it is explained what numbers on the card represents..It's a game in the game...
Authors don't suggest you to play Tetra-master, they make understand immediatly at the player that this mini-game is not central..Indeed neither rules are explained at the beginning of the game..You neither know what the number represents until CD3...

Tetra Master in FFIX is different under this point of view..It's a game not connected wich doesn't give you any reward..Completing it is just for satisfaction but you have no reward, no item, nothing of nothing..It's a game in the game..Triple triad in FFVIII is part of the game, Tetra Master in FFIX is a game itself and you lose nothing without playing it..
The central mini-Game in FFIX are Chocobo's sidequest, in FFVIII Is triple triad..

Tetra-master is just something more..They put it in as a Game in the Game, but authors didn't give it importance..No reward, and no explanation about the numbers until disc3...

Tetra master is harder, too much, and too much random...It's just a pass-time...
Triple triad is easy, fast to understand and every player of FFVIII played it..Tetra-Master..I don't think ther's a player in the planet who played it at the first run...
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Icedfate Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:53am 
I found the card game minigame from final fantasy 8 to be the worst, most tedious, most frustrating one of all time IMO...especially considering that there were specific items that you "needed" to beat that minigame to get them...AND these items were "permanently missable content" that if you didn't get them at a specific point in the game, you could miss them forever and never get another opportunity and the only way to know that is with a guide and square Enix does that in EVERY Final Fantasy game!
Escartin Dec 23, 2017 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Femaiden:
I found the card game minigame from final fantasy 8 to be the worst, most tedious, most frustrating one of all time IMO...especially considering that there were specific items that you "needed" to beat that minigame to get them...AND these items were "permanently missable content" that if you didn't get them at a specific point in the game, you could miss them forever and never get another opportunity and the only way to know that is with a guide and square Enix does that in EVERY Final Fantasy game!

I never find it tedious honestly..
However it is true what you say..If you want gain important items you have to play it, in FFIX Tetra Master is different, more hard and complex, but you play it just if you want because you have no reward on playing it.

Just the achievement but we talk of steam version..

However you're talking with a player who plays every Final fantasy and I' m quite sure that after play and replay FFIX is largely the best FF created..
FFIX hadn't succes of VII and VI just because it was less revolutinary in that period..The greatness of this game wasn't understood in the past years..

FFVII, great game but his success depends in great part because it was the first Final Fantasy in 3D..At that time that was a revolution..
Time is passed and now I can say that FFVII has some problems..Too much characters for example..12 Characters and the party is composed just by 3 characters..More over, every characters is the same, each character can do anything, ther's no difference in battle betwen them, it depends from the materia you equip..IN FFVI there was 14 characters, but every characters had his own peculiarity in battle and Party was composed by 4 characters...In FFVII 12 characters with party with 3 characters, and ther's no difference in battle betwen them, just the Limit Break...It's ridicolous....Indeed you have 12 characters and if you don't take a member in the party you neither see him for all the story...Think at Caith sith, Yuffie or Cid..If you never enter them in the party you never see them for all the game...Too much characters, and no relations betwen them..Each characters has his own story, but ther's no relation and interaction betwen the characters..They're too much..In battle are all the same so why 12 characters?? Bo...They wanted to copy FFVI but they didn't succeded..In FFVI Characters had interaction betwen them, and each character has his own peculiarity in battle.

Another great difecft is the materia-system...You have 4000000000000000000 materia and you end to use just 5 or 6...It's tedious that you can't use ability in battles because you can't equip them...The system of FFIX Is very better, simple, linear and not tedius..If you learn an ability then you can always use it..
FFIX is the one more similar to FFVI, and for that is the best because in FFIX they corrected little difects FFVI had..
The success of FFVII depends in great part for the revolution of graphic..the same is for FFVIII wich improves graphic again..FFIX was no revolutionary under this point of view, but like Sakaguchi said, it is the best FF never created...With FFVI I would VI and IV I would say...
IV pays time however.
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Icedfate Dec 23, 2017 @ 8:50am 
Originally posted by italiagermania43:
However you're talking with a player who plays every Final fantasy and I' m quite sure that after play and replay FFIX is largely the best FF created..
FFIX hadn't succes of VII and VI just because it was less revolutinary in that period..The greatness of this game wasn't understood in the past years..

you have no argument from me, there...

although "best one" is largely a subjective thing, FF9 is also my personal favorite as well.

I'll admit, I have not played any of the newer ones after part 10.

one that gets overlooked is FF:Dimensions on mobile.
it's a solid, legit FF game. it's linear and the story leave much to be desired but it has a good job system mechanics and is a great time waster.

it tends to get overlooked and people gave it bad reviews because the game was episodic, chaging for each "chapter" with the prologue being "Free" and people seem to think it's F2P IAP garbage when it isn't
Icedfate Dec 23, 2017 @ 5:18pm 
Originally posted by Dwight:
Originally posted by Femaiden:
I'll admit, I have not played any of the newer ones after part 10.

Try 12. This, hoping you like it.
actually, come to think of it, I did play part 12, I just forgot because the game itself was so forgettable.

it was fun and i liked the whole real time battle mechanic that made it feel like a mmorpg that you play by yourself...but yeah, everything about the game itself, the characters, the story, I completely forgot.
I think the only thing I do remember is save scumming a couple of spots for hours and hours because a certain "rare" material had onlya 1% chance to drop and there was only one place to get it and only one chance to get it and if you didn't get it, then it became permanently missable content and the only way to even know it was there is with a guide...


which again, as I said earlier, is the one thing that pisses me off the most about every final fantasy game, they always stick Permanently Missable Content in there


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PermanentlyMissableContent?from=Main.LostForever
Escartin Dec 24, 2017 @ 3:43am 
Originally posted by Femaiden:
Originally posted by italiagermania43:
However you're talking with a player who plays every Final fantasy and I' m quite sure that after play and replay FFIX is largely the best FF created..
FFIX hadn't succes of VII and VI just because it was less revolutinary in that period..The greatness of this game wasn't understood in the past years..

you have no argument from me, there...

although "best one" is largely a subjective thing, FF9 is also my personal favorite as well.

I'll admit, I have not played any of the newer ones after part 10.

one that gets overlooked is FF:Dimensions on mobile.
it's a solid, legit FF game. it's linear and the story leave much to be desired but it has a good job system mechanics and is a great time waster.

it tends to get overlooked and people gave it bad reviews because the game was episodic, chaging for each "chapter" with the prologue being "Free" and people seem to think it's F2P IAP garbage when it isn't


I did not play ffXV, I played all the others...FFXII has story and characters problems, I think that is a great game however..I loved gambit sistems and environments..
The problem of this game is just the story ( Ending moreover) and some characters who has no sens, but it is a great game.
FFXIII is disgusting, as FFFXIII-2 and FFX-2...

For me..Starting from the best

1 FFIX
2 FFVI
3 FFIV
4 FFX
5 FFXII
6 FFV
7 FFI
8 FFIII
9 FFII
10 FFVII
11 FFVIII
12 FFXIII
13 FFXIII-2
14 FFX-2
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Escartin Dec 24, 2017 @ 3:49am 
Originally posted by Dwight:
Originally posted by Femaiden:
certain "rare" material had onlya 1% chance to drop and there was only one place to get it and only one chance to get it and if you didn't get it, then it became permanently missable content and the only way to even know it was there is with a guide...

This is literally the only thing I dislike about FF12. Like, I understand for some ultimate armor you want to add some challenge to earn it and the like, but in 12, its absolutely ridiculous. Having to manipulate an RNG to possibly get it? I don't think so. FFIX has it out on this one ONLY. Especially chocographs, y'know, less steals.

I loved FFXII and for me that game has simply a character problem and story problem...
The ending is the worst of the series, the story is not bad but the ending is just ridicolous and Vaan is the worst protagonist I've never seen..It's a shame because forgetting of the espers ( wich are useless), the battle system and the environments are amasing..

PS: An example of character problem is Fran...Fran is a good character, interesting, but after passing the forest she is forgotten...
Escartin Dec 24, 2017 @ 7:58am 
1 STORY

The story is not bad, neither fantastic but neither bad...
I would say it is good but the end is just ridicolous and not epic...The Occuria remain alive and all ends with Vayne's death...It has no sense...When you end this game it seem that something miss...Indeed the authors wanted to make a FFXII-2 maybe..But this game had not great success so they didn't do it..The ending of this game is largely the worst of the entire FFseries and it ruins the story too...

2 CHARACTERS

Vaan and Penelo are ridicolous...They have no meaning, they're usefull and idiots..They've no sense inside the story...Vaan is existeed just because in Final Fantasy the main character must be a Young handsome boy, ther's no sense in this character, he is ridicolous, he doesn't grow up..He didn't do nothing...
Balthier Bash Fran are good character, Ashe is a good character but in the end they're not wonderful..They are the same from the beginng until the end of the story and those characters are not depthed...Maybe just Bash a little...
FFIX and VI are the best FF for the characters..In those two games every character has a meaning, and every character grow and change during the story...Every character teach us something, every character is put in the game for a purpose, and every character change and grow during the story...A Character of FFIX could even not be liked, but every character has a meaning..Vaan and Penelo...What's them purpose?? What kind of message they teach to us?? Nothing, they're just two kids who lost family, and this is neither depthed...They remain the same, ther's no introspection, there is nothing...They are in the game just because in Final Fantasy is needed young characters for the teenagers..

In this Game there are three good characters..Reddas Gabranth and Cid..They have a meaning, and they change and take drastic decisions...But we're talking of secondary characters...Vayne Solidor is ridicolous too..Very bad.


3 BATTLE SYSTEM

For me is the best of the series, and the Environment is wonderful too...But the Espers are usefull, you can use just Zodiark...They are good to see, but in battle you can't use them,they're totally usefull...Just Zodiark could be used sometime...
In this game I played the best battle of the series however I hafe to say..The Battle with Yazmat was wonderful.

4 MUSIC

It' s an important thing in Final Fantasy..Nobuo Uematsu is gone and you feel it..Musics are not bad, ther's some god theme but you can't compare with the music of the others Final Fantasy...The Music is one of the less thing that is wonderful frm FFI to X...In FFXII the music are not at the level of the others Final Fantasy..Nobuo has gone, and you feel it.

CONCLUSION

In the end I think this game is however good but Vaan and Penelo represent the beginning of the fall of the square..Vaan and Penelo are two characters that with Sakaguchi would be never existed..They're put in because of fan but they' ve no sense..
After that Square has lost his soul and FFXIII and XV are disgusting because Square don't do what they're able to do, but they do what teenager wants...Vaan and Penelo represent the beginning of the fall..Nobuo ther's no more and music are not like the others Final Fantasy...The story is not bad, but the ending ruins all the plot..
Characters are good, but not depthed...
This Final fantasy is wonderful for battle system and Environments, but has story and Characters-development problem..
Then..Vaan...Vaan is disgusting, useless and he represents what square enix is became...

I would give this game 7.5 like valutation...Not more...You can't give more at a Final Fantasy in wich the main character is Vaan...It's not possible..
In final fantasy characters represent the soul of the game...Playing this game I knew characters like Rydia, Barret, Celes,Galuf, Locke, Edgar, Shadow, Vivi, Yuna, Steiner,Auron,Kimahri,Yang,Cloud..
And in FFXII who ther's??? Vaan...Oh my god...
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Escartin Dec 26, 2017 @ 5:07am 
Originally posted by Dwight:
WOW.
I love FFXII.

Everthing is subjective but I try to be objective analysing Final Fantasy..I think FFXII is a good game but it had some problem...
I think that analysing in objective way FFXII represent the beginning of the fall...It had very good thing, but it had problem that Other FF don't had...Plot anche Characters problems
How long did it take you guys to get the first chocograph?
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