DLC price is a shame

[Xeinar dies a lot - ITA]

Most of its content is something that should have been delivered with the base game: fine tuning of dynamics, statistics, management of cards. 15 Euros for this and for the remaining features that add minor changes to the game is a shame.

I was a real supporter of this game but now I'm changing my mind. This seems to be a Paradox approach. Shame.

[BigBobr99]

I respect your point of view, but I find the new mechanics, excitement and variety they add and all the stats available now more than justyfying the cost. I don't think the team is big and I gratefully paid for the DLC and will do for any other addon Creoteam makes.

[Xeinar dies a lot - ITA]

I reckon both that the team is small and that all of this means work, but again most of the DLC features should be part of the base game at zero cost. The new features are mostly rebalancing and minor change, there is no real content added (statistics cannot be handled like content).

No, sorry, I really see it as a cash grabber to those that love the game.

[xaintrie]

I'm happy to pay for this DLC. It really improves the game experience.
Would you prefer to pay 60 euros for FM21 where you can now "open your arms when you talk to the players" ?

[Xeinar dies a lot - ITA]

No. I would like to pay a fair price for a finished product. And 80% of this DLC should be in the base release.

[Hoplite39]

One paid DLC for $15 is hardly exploiting the public, especially as the Dev team have continually supported and provided updates for free.

The simple truth is that if Creoteam didn't charge for the update, it wouldn't exist.

[View The Phenom]

You always get one of these types of posts. Stick to the base game if you don't think the DLC is worth your money, simple solution.

But developers do need to be paid for their effort, and regardless of what you may think this DLC adds a significant amount of content (including analytics, which is content) making it much different than a "paradox cash grab". Not wanting to spend extra money is fine, but don't pull the same old tired attempt at guilt-tripping the developer because you don't want to pay for DLC.

Especially when Creoteam has been very active with providing free updates to the base game since release.

[Xeinar dies a lot - ITA]

Originally posted by View The Phenom:

Especially when Creoteam has been very active with providing free updates to the base game since release.

I disagree. The game has been fine turned post-release, not updated in the sense that received additional content. And it is not a matter of money - I actually spend 50 euros per month on gaming, cost per se is not a factor. The point is that it seems nobody understands anymore where DLCs comes from and what are they intended to be, and how the gaming industry is exploiting the newcomers with this approach; and newcomers, not knowing the history of gaming, do not realize it.

Some features of this DLC where actually removed at some point from the base game (like the card management - you can search for a post of mine some months ago), just like the AI tuning and the bugfixing that seem reserved to the DLC (KOS to clarify).

Now, if you are all fine with this that's ok - your call. Just like for me to stand against the gaming industry most controversial aspects.

[Vanha]

Tactics and manager games are not exactly known to be mainstream games, that sell hundred million copies on launch day and combined together they represent a very niche genre, so the price feels justified. Support with your wallet!

[View The Phenom]

That's all well and good, but posting on a game's forum that you don't think the DLC should cost anything...will not suddenly change the dev's mind and give you the DLC for free.

Like the poster above me said, if you don't think it's worthwhile then don't buy it (support with your wallet). Spend that $15 elsewhere, other players can make their own choices and don't need your warning to avoid "game industry exploitation".

[Zangdar]

Exactly, when I find a game or expansion that is too expensive, it can happen that I wait 3-4 years before buying it during the steam sale.
You can wait until it is in your price range ;)

[Xeinar dies a lot - ITA]

Originally posted by View The Phenom:

That's all well and good, but posting on a game's forum that you don't think the DLC should cost anything...will not suddenly change the dev's mind and give you the DLC for free.

Like the poster above me said, if you don't think it's worthwhile then don't buy it (support with your wallet). Spend that $15 elsewhere, other players can make their own choices and don't need your warning to avoid "game industry exploitation".

Mate, I never said that DLC must be free. Please read with attention. You are putting in my mouth words I've never said. I'm saying that for its content and the kind of content delivered, 15 euros is crazy.

And other players willing to evaluate the game pre-purchasing it will both need praises and criticism.

[recon64bit]

I disagree. The DLC price is more than justified. The base game was already fun in the early days as a simple tactics game. They've expanded it out over the years, many times no additional cost, this deserves payment.

[dorktron2000]

DLC price is fair, for sure. There is so much content and hours you can play even with just the base game, I was more than happy to pay $15 for the DLC.

[yoman38]

Originally posted by Xeinar dies a lot - ITA:

I reckon both that the team is small and that all of this means work, but again most of the DLC features should be part of the base game at zero cost. The new features are mostly rebalancing and minor change, there is no real content added (statistics cannot be handled like content).

No, sorry, I really see it as a cash grabber to those that love the game.

There are many discount made on steam, you can easily grab game+DLC for 20 euros. Who are you to say that this game does not worth it? That's stupid, sorry but I have to be mean.

Base price is fairly low, there are a tons of ♥♥♥♥ games that cost AAA price. And just because there is a DLC you come here and talk dirty about rubbing? Really?
It's 15e, sometimes less, there are many games that are more expansives and some less, it's hard to tell how much it's worth. Maybe it's how much time do you want to play, and it's a game already that you can spend a long time on. Not a 4h campaign. Game is finished right now, it's not an expansion to complete it.

Devs have updated the game for the past 3 years now for free. Compare the first version to now. Take a look at update 10. They weren't forced to do it. They could have just leaved the game as that. Many things in the DLC are a gamechanger. Of course, it's not a brand new game. Of course we hate DLCs. But here, it's a fairly big one for a small developper. it's not EA trying to exploit you to make more cash. It's a small team which that want to live from their work. Nothing more. It's not an association.

Don't want to be rude, however don't expect me to be kind as you're disrespecting developpers by telling those that they're making it as a cash grabbing. They've worked a lot on it


EDIT: when it comes to price, if you see it as the price of the full game, I consider it. But full game is fairly low. It's up to you to think if it's deserve your money or not

[The Renderer]

Every time any game releases a DLC there will be that one guy making a thread about how it's not worth it and that the content should have been in the base game from the beginning.

Congrats for being the one this time, I guess?