First Youth Coach Logic Problem

[SugarKillZ]

So I have just started my first season with the DLC. I have some stars in my first youth coach. I got my youth player in Jan and to my joy it was a Forward. Here lies the problem. He original stat spread was 27/6/11/15, brilliant a 2* gifted 16 year old with 27 accuracy, just what I needed at that moment. His main stat is accuracy according to his profile.

The coach changed his stat spread to 18/8/15/18. 9 accuracy loss in his primary attribute. Isn't that the complete opposite of what the coach is meant to do?

Anyone had similar experiences?

[Andrei Baciu]

Yes, its the way it works. Sometimes it gives better players, sometimes worse. But overall you will get better players as you upgrade the coach more.

[DeWitt]

Maybe it would be good not to show the "original" player, because in situations like you described it leads to frustration

[lebeststratege]

I think it would be better to let the player select the primary stat for the coach to apply to (and the option to let the player be), so that when you want a specific trait it's there, and when you want some generalist (some roles are great in this, like Lib with good pass, MDC, MOC can be a jack of all trades, etc..)

[_K_o_S_]

Will paste the description of how it works which I wrote in another thread.
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How does it work:

For example, the fate of the footballer is as follows:
20% / 30% / 30% / 20%

It's kind of useless distribution but many young footballers have this. In the game, it can be something like 10/15/15/10

When a young footballer is generated, his main attribute can get the random +/-10% fluctuation. If it's -10%, and the main attribute is DEF, it will be something like 22% /25% /20% /23%. But he can also get +10%. So it will be 18% /25% /30% /17%.

It can be in a range (-10;10), not exactly 10%.

When you upgrade the coach to the first level, you still can have a worse player than without the coach. But this time the effect on the main attribute will be (-7;13) so there are chances to get better distribution of the attributes.

Still the previous footballer without the coach might randomly have +10%, and coach made the next footballer -7%. You can think that the coach is bad. But this bad effect is made by +/- 10% RNG, not the coach.

Therefore, when you get the new footballers with the worse distribution, it's the effect of the +/-10%. Continue upgrading the coach, and you will love the new footballers ;)

[timo_tahvanainen]

Originally posted by _K_o_S_:

Continue upgrading the coach, and you will love the new footballers ;)

I have to say, this is absolutely true. I have upgraded my first coach to the maximum and my young footballers are top-of-the-notch. Also I have heavily invested in the youth academy.

Before this new DLC my games stalled when I had neglected my new players. But now I find myself balancing with the veterans and the juniors, since my juniors have far greater potential than my old veterans (thanks to the giftedness system). And since my juniors are great (forward with 90 acc!) I can keep my team getting even better, not worse because I have to replace older players.

[Vander]

i also have a problem with my first coach :
I had 11/8/9/13 Giftedness 1
And my coach is 2 star (4th level) : =12% +/-10%
My result is 22/5/5/9 so i think 27% was applied ( but the max is 22%)

Below is how i calculated it
https://pasteboard.co/JFX7oMn.png

[_K_o_S_]

Originally posted by nicolas.vandenterghem:

i also have a problem with my first coach :
I had 11/8/9/13 Giftedness 1
And my coach is 2 star (4th level) : =12% +/-10%
My result is 22/5/5/9 so i think 27% was applied ( but the max is 22%)

Below is how i calculated it
https://pasteboard.co/JFX7oMn.png

The footballer which might have appeared from the Youth Academy can't serve as an etalon.

He also has +/-10% effect.

[Vander]

https://pasteboard.co/JGgbnyY.png

So you mean in the message, "Player 1" isn't the direct modification of "Player 2" ?
The Player 1 is the +12% +/-10% modificationof the undisplayed player
The Player 2 is the +/-10% modification of the undisplayed player
In my case :
We have an undisplayed player 13/8/9/11
Player 1 (22/5/5/9) can be +22% of the undisplayed player
Player 2 (11/8/9/13) would be -5% of the undisplayed player

I think the "Player 2" stats makes the message confusing
Could you display the original player ?

[huneymunster]

Does the First Youth Coach effect what attributes the player will most likely get on level up? Or is it still mainly only effected by the players Specialisation through Dedication attribute points spent?

[_K_o_S_]

Originally posted by nicolas.vandenterghem:

https://pasteboard.co/JGgbnyY.png

So you mean in the message, "Player 1" isn't the direct modification of "Player 2" ?
The Player 1 is the +12% +/-10% modificationof the undisplayed player
The Player 2 is the +/-10% modification of the undisplayed player
In my case :
We have an undisplayed player 13/8/9/11
Player 1 (22/5/5/9) can be +22% of the undisplayed player
Player 2 (11/8/9/13) would be -5% of the undisplayed player

I think the "Player 2" stats makes the message confusing
Could you display the original player ?

"Original player" was went to the youth academy when he was very young. His attributes don't make sense because you wouldn't know them anyway. You would get either skewed attributes by your Youth Academy or improved attributes by the coach.

[_K_o_S_]

Originally posted by huneymunster:

Does the First Youth Coach effect what attributes the player will most likely get on level up? Or is it still mainly only effected by the players Specialisation through Dedication attribute points spent?

His improvement is based on the footballer's fate in the first place. But dedication can improve that anyway.