Dark Souls 3 is better than Elden RIng

[Nonomori]

I generally don't like open world games because most of the open world objectives/quests are sort of random busy work. Yes, there can be tons to do, but it's usually pretty boring or repetitive IMO. ER doesn't suffer from this as badly, but it actually lacks a lot of what I loved so much in DS3.

Dark Souls, and really all of the other FromS titles, are so focused and well-designed that the entire time I'm playing I feel like I'm getting maximum enjoyment. I also feel like I'm experiencing the game the way the designers intended it, which I didn't realize was so important to me until losing some of that in ER.

In ER, I'm often just trying to locate bosses or items. The side bosses are generally way too easy, and often you find them when you're overlevelled, making the fights trivial. The main bosses seem about as hard as the other titles, but you have extra tools that just change the gameplay greatly (so many npc summons, ashes, way too OP weaponskills etc). As for explaration goes, you essentially need a guide or you can get hard stuck with progress trying to figure out where to find certain items. I could use guides in the other games if I wanted to make sure I didn't miss optional bosses or secret paths/items, but I never felt like I needed one until now. Being on rails in DS3, with the ability to explore a little bit to find optional bosses, was actually such a perfectly genius design which I didn't really understand until now. The game never felt bogged down with the need to explore humongous areas.

ER is somewhat nice but I'm not sure that I'll actually finish the game. It's just so tedious. Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually preferred being stuck on bosses in DS3, fighting them for hours or days until I could beat them.

All that being said, I'm not really here to say ER sucks (because it doesn't, look at sales and amount of people that are playing it), but ER made me realize just how good DS3 was and how open world ruined that feel and immersion for me.

[Drelowed]

u made my day Thank You u said pretty much how i feel about this topic

[Mikael']

TL; DR
ER world meticulously crafted by hand, lol. That's all I want to say after 2 sentences I endured. Usually I don't run to a new place longer than 1-1.5 min, this world is so dense
But bugs, balance and optimization have to be improved, especially the last one (thx to the weird engine).
75 hours and I still discover a lot of new insteresting things. After 700+ hours in DSIII, this game is so refreshing and fun. And I like it's quest design more as well
Also, DS and ER a not comparable, after all

[Adanali]

this understanble and yes me too ER boss are so easy me too love to fight it for hours but ER world is not design

[urabe mikoto]

I agree

[Nonomori]

Originally posted by Mikael':

TL; DR
ER world meticulously crafted by hand, lol. That's all I want to say after 2 sentences I endured. Usually I don't run to a new place longer than 1-1.5 min, this world is so dense
But bugs, balance and optimization have to be improved, especially the last one (thx to the weird engine).
75 hours and I still discover a lot of new insteresting things. After 700+ hours in DSIII, this game is so refreshing and fun. And I like it's quest design more as well
Also, DS and ER a not comparable, after all

I mean, since you didn't read your opinion is irrelevant but still, how come DS and ER are not comparable? Both have the same engine, the same gameplay, the same combat system with few additions, recycled assets from older games etc etc. What are you even talking about?

[Quaz]

you're entitled to your opinion

[Nonomori]

Originally posted by Styx:

you're entitled to your opinion

Talking like it's a bad thing x)

[Adanali]

ı actually think elden ring bosses are easy except 1 or 2 boss

[Quaz]

Originally posted by Nonomori:

Originally posted by Styx:

you're entitled to your opinion

Talking like it's a bad thing x)

i was simply stating a fact, people are free to take it how they will.

[Genevir]

They're both pretty good but I have to agree the open world aspect only hurts souls games. All they do is pretend to have more content than they actually do by reusing the same bosses and enemies over and over and over. I genuinely think I beat the same boss at least 20 times in elden ring. That's not real content, any dev can make a single enemy and copy paste it to 10 different locations.

Also the balance in elden ring is the worst souls games have ever seen imo.

[Edgarek]

Originally posted by Blood:

Also the balance in elden ring is the worst souls games have ever seen imo.

Its literally the same as ds games on launch. GIve people a couple of months and you will see a cancer meta and after that updates + DLC, then 1-2 years and they will forgot about game was exist. We already seen it multiple times that case.

[Clicker]

Based

[IwanttohavtheDamBurger]

and Sekiro is better than Dark Souls 3

[Chuck Jiggles]

Taste and opinions on games are subjective, but I genuinely think that time will be much less forgiving to Elden Ring than it is to other souls games as the flaws in its gameplay and design (like those you listed and disliked about) become more apparent.

Every souls game has its own issues and they're most of the time shared between games (sections with bad level design, recycled enemies, gameplay balance, its flow, technical issues like camera™ etc.), but on other games the flawed parts are over quite quickly.

Elden Ring is just so bloated with content (original or recycled) that the flawed parts of the game based on everyone's personal opinions last a lot longer, which sucks the fun out of the game for much longer periods than in other games.

For example: I dislike vertical fights in FromSoft games, as the camera likes to throw an absolute fit in them. DSIII has the King of Storm that is problematic for me, which is just one short section of the game. Elden Ring has a ton of vertical fights (flying, jumping, absolutely huge units), which means that the sections that I dislike gameplay wise for me personally last a lot longer in that game.

There will be a lot of internet fights in the future when the hype goes down and most of the people have completed the game. I've completed Elden Ring at about 50 hours mark and I don't feel like touching the game again in years, as I think about the parts that I dislike in the game and the amount of hours required to put into those parts.

So yes, I think in time Dark Souls 3 will be considered better than Elden Ring, if only more replayable, atleast.

[Nonomori]

Originally posted by Chuck Jiggles:

Taste and opinions on games are subjective, but I genuinely think that time will be much less forgiving to Elden Ring than it is to other souls games as the flaws in its gameplay and design (like those you listed and disliked about) become more apparent.

Every souls game has its own issues and they're most of the time shared between games (sections with bad level design, recycled enemies, gameplay balance, its flow, technical issues like camera™ etc.), but on other games the flawed parts are over quite quickly.

Elden Ring is just so bloated with content (original or recycled) that the flawed parts of the game based on everyone's personal opinions last a lot longer, which sucks the fun out of the game for much longer periods than in other games.

For example: I dislike vertical fights in FromSoft games, as the camera likes to throw an absolute fit in them. DSIII has the King of Storm that is problematic for me, which is just one short section of the game. Elden Ring has a ton of vertical fights (flying, jumping, absolutely huge units), which means that the sections that I dislike gameplay wise for me personally last a lot longer in that game.

There will be a lot of internet fights in the future when the hype goes down and most of the people have completed the game. I've completed Elden Ring at about 50 hours mark and I don't feel like touching the game again in years, as I think about the parts that I dislike in the game and the amount of hours required to put into those parts.

So yes, I think in time Dark Souls 3 will be considered better than Elden Ring, if only more replayable, atleast.

Thank you for this response! You wrote my other thought about this game that I couldn't think about at the time I made this thread. Yeah, I also think that ER will be a shortlived game. Sure, right now it breaks all Steam records but solely because the game is huge, majority of people are yet to complete it. When hype dies down, I think ER will bite the dust.