Why the irrational hatred towards invaders?

[Tetrah]

There's people who simply aren't into PVP, which I wasn't too and that's fine, but then there's the haters and I genuinely want to understand other perspectives because, yeah I played this game for a first time once and being invaded while trying to get to a boss room sucked but hey that was dark souls 1, now you can pop your "humanity" anywhere, so what's left? You hate people that play the rest of the game they payed for? (no Karen intended)

I say "irrational" because I've seen all kinds of complaints but most of the time they feel like hard cope. Is dying a problem? Well, this is Dark Souls, no I don't mean to say "GiT GuD" I mean you already die everywhere else, so why another death would be worse? You got your coop interrupted? Well it's 2 (sometimes 3) against 1, I say the stakes are on your side anyway. People Alt+f4? Have you tried once? Sometimes you get someone so bad they die to a light attack combo, it's free, just try. (Actually, pressing alt+f4 is kinda pathetic overall, like pulling the cable when losing on street fighter. No wonder they ban you for doing that)

The worst part is the "oh, the mean mean pvp players", like From Software didn't intend to make PVP invasions a thing and people where doing it just to be d*cks LoL. I think I've finished the first game idk 15 times? This one 6 or 7? I wasn't big on it, but PVP steadily grows on you because you get tired of everything else. Farrom, Anor Londo or just being summoned here and there by the Blades of Darkmoon is just so much fun. You quickly realise how much of the game you where missing for having repressed feelings or whatever.

[Zap2Strike]

most people don't like things that are out of their control

[Efexius]

most players (my experience of players i invade) have no idea how to play, so they have to play with 2-3 people even for clearing adds they cant do it alone, so they hate dying to 1 players invading them.
I can say 70-75% of my invasion ends up player either going into boss room or disconnecting and maybe 1% of my invasions 1vs1, so people doesnt even wanna risk dying even tho they outnumber invader.

[cridus]

they're simply entitled little kids that think they should be able to play the game how they want regardless of how it's actually coded. that, and they can't take a loss in a videogame.

[Wubbinz]

Originally posted by cridus:

they're simply entitled little kids that think they should be able to play the game how they want regardless of how it's actually coded. that, and they can't take a loss in a videgame.

Kinda toxic tbh.

[Washing Machine]

Ego bruises are the biggest factor imo.

It's rather telling how often hosts will happily 2v1 or 3v1 an invader, but the moment they're left alone they suddenly hate PVP, running for the boss or alt f4 or turtling scared unwilling to even try to fight until a blue shows up or they can summon a new white. Gankers would often also justify their squad by saying how this is them getting back at those dastardly invaders.

Dying to a boss multiple times or to PVE is whatever, but when they know some memelord is sitting there behind the monitor doing it, it hurts too much.

[Terrorize Exercise]

Don't want to fight invaders, why even play online? I never understood the frame of mind of these lil snowflakes tbh.

[nullpo]

No, everyone love invaders, except when they lose or not having 2 cheater bodyguards, that's when they will throw tantrum

[ATCF]

Well from my perspective i think that most invaders are good at the game because i would never even consider invading anybody because i suck at PVP and there is always the "DARK SOULS PVP HONOR" that you must uphold, like you are not allowed to use estus if you are getting invaded since its dishonorable, but i have managed to beat some invaders by luck but others just parry you instantly and can kill you in 10 seconds so thats no fun, but like in DS 2 you can get invaded anywhere at anytime so i just accepted it when i got invaded, either i died or lived but mostly died :D

So maybe the hatred towards invaders is just that everyone expects them to kill you instantly since most fights dont last over 30 seconds

[Wubbinz]

Did the servers get put back on? This seems like an odd time to bring this conversation up considering invaders don't exist anymore.

[Tetrah]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

Ego bruises are the biggest factor imo.

It's rather telling how often hosts will happily 2v1 or 3v1 an invader, but the moment they're left alone they suddenly hate PVP, running for the boss or alt f4 or turtling scared unwilling to even try to fight until a blue shows up or they can summon a new white. Gankers would often also justify their squad by saying how this is them getting back at those dastardly invaders.

Dying to a boss multiple times or to PVE is whatever, but when they know some memelord is sitting there behind the monitor doing it, it hurts too much.

That's what I'm saying. They act like invaders are grifters. Running away, ganking, disconnecting etc. are the actual scummy attitudes here, like nobody else is allowed to play the game the way they want too. And they act like they deserve a medal for it LoL.

This is not like an MMO, you won't be invaded by a lv 999 hacker all the time, just... participate, Jesus.

[Katsura]

Invading is a part of the game but toxicity is not.

[Tetrah]

Originally posted by Paton:

Did the servers get put back on? This seems like an odd time to bring this conversation up considering invaders don't exist anymore.

Well, people are constantly taunting PVP players here because the servers are down. That was my reason to bring this up.

[Wubbinz]

Originally posted by Tetrah:

Originally posted by Paton:

Did the servers get put back on? This seems like an odd time to bring this conversation up considering invaders don't exist anymore.

Well, people are constantly taunting PVP players here because the servers are down. That was my reason to bring this up.

Well you can tell by some of the comments here that clearly both sides have toxic A holes. No side is more guilty than the other.

[roachit]

Originally posted by ATCF:

Well from my perspective i think that most invaders are good at the game because i would never even consider invading anybody because i suck at PVP and there is always the "DARK SOULS PVP HONOR" that you must uphold, like you are not allowed to use estus if you are getting invaded since its dishonorable

I assure you, any invader with even a little bit of experience is used to fighting against the absolute worst scumbags you can imagine, so a solo host not chugging is nowhere near a normal expectation; most invaders would be happy to simply not get poop-throwing resummoning gankers with 500 ping.

[paulaus333]

I once played the game only alone or with phantom helpers. I disliked and feared invaders.

As I started invading myself, I began to understand the appeal and see the interaction from another perspective.

All of the things I hated about invaders (excluding twinking, glitching and hacking - which are mega scummy and intolerable) became things that are necessary to compete.

It's not much fun beating up a host and his friend who can barely defend themselves. People with multiple summons using dried finger, so inviting opposition are wonderful and often friendly types. A single invader doesn't seem so bad after that. :)