Why Can't I Cast Black Flame As Fast As Him Even With Sage Ring And 20 Dexterity?!

[Komunmak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZyzfJP6QpI

Well, as far as I know that the cast speed is being capped at 50 Dexterity. So with 20 Dexterity and 30 Virtual Dexterity from Sage Ring I should have the maximum casting speed. Wtf?!

[仁義なき戦い]

Slow fingers?

[SamYes]

40 dex )

[Scaryowl]

Wudude
3 years ago
Id like to also note that this really only works with the new parting flame and not with a regular pyro flame

also, i dont think this is a true combo

[Komunmak]

Originally posted by we game in a society:

Slow fingers?

No, it actually has to do with cast timing. :/

Originally posted by EvgenS:

40 dex )

The cast speed is capped on 50 Dexterity. So I already should have 50 Dexterity with Sage Ring. :/

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Wudude
3 years ago
Id like to also note that this really only works with the new parting flame and not with a regular pyro flame

also, i dont think this is a true combo

Yeah. :P
Oh, really? With Parting Flame it really works? I should get it then. But damn, it's on the DLC area. :/

Why did you say that you don't think this is a true combo?

[Scaryowl]

Originally posted by Komunmak:

Originally posted by we game in a society:

Slow fingers?

No, it actually has to do with cast timing. :/

Originally posted by EvgenS:

40 dex )

The cast speed is capped on 50 Dexterity. So I already should have 50 Dexterity with Sage Ring. :/

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Wudude
3 years ago
Id like to also note that this really only works with the new parting flame and not with a regular pyro flame

also, i dont think this is a true combo

Yeah. :P
Oh, really? With Parting Flame it really works? I should get it then. But damn, it's on the DLC area. :/

Why did you say that you don't think this is a true combo?

Because I’ve been able to roll out of it every time I’ve seen it.

[Komunmak]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Originally posted by Komunmak:

No, it actually has to do with cast timing. :/

The cast speed is capped on 50 Dexterity. So I already should have 50 Dexterity with Sage Ring. :/

Yeah. :P
Oh, really? With Parting Flame it really works? I should get it then. But damn, it's on the DLC area. :/

Why did you say that you don't think this is a true combo?

Because I’ve been able to roll out of it every time I’ve seen it.

Ah, right. This is not a true combo, of course. Because this is an attack that you do with a catalyst which isn't a weapon. True combo happens when you use a weapon. I mean you should use the same weapon for do a true combo not another one.

[Scaryowl]

Originally posted by Komunmak:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Because I’ve been able to roll out of it every time I’ve seen it.

Ah, right. This is not a true combo, of course. Because this is an attack that you do with a catalyst which isn't a weapon. True combo happens when you use a weapon. I mean you should use the same weapon for do a true combo not another one.

No; True combo means that a straight sword swing always combos into black flame if you do it right.

Since you can roll out of it when it’s done properly, it’s not a true combo.

[Lothric NASA Space Program]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Originally posted by Komunmak:

Ah, right. This is not a true combo, of course. Because this is an attack that you do with a catalyst which isn't a weapon. True combo happens when you use a weapon. I mean you should use the same weapon for do a true combo not another one.

No; True combo means that a straight sword swing always combos into black flame if you do it right.

Since you can roll out of it when it’s done properly, it’s not a true combo.

So, I'll go ahead and clear this up. To my knowledge, it's a true combo with the parting flame (and yes, I mean true combo) due to a secondary damage hitbox that the parting flame casts upon using pyromancies. It has the same cast speed, but if that second damage instance hits, you can pull off another black flame. Thus, similar to the old black knight GS true combo, this won't apply if the extra damage doesn't hit. Since this only has the range of your hand, you have to be close to be affected.

If this is old info, let me know.

[仁義なき戦い]

Originally posted by Lothric NASA Space Program:

So, I'll go ahead and clear this up. To my knowledge, it's a true combo with the parting flame (and yes, I mean true combo) due to a secondary damage hitbox that the parting flame casts upon using pyromancies. It has the same cast speed, but if that second damage instance hits, you can pull off another black flame. Thus, similar to the old black knight GS true combo, this won't apply if the extra damage doesn't hit. Since this only has the range of your hand, you have to be close to be affected.

If this is old info, let me know.

did you watch the video? the combo referenced here is SS R1 > Black Flame, not BF > BF

[Komunmak]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Originally posted by Komunmak:

Ah, right. This is not a true combo, of course. Because this is an attack that you do with a catalyst which isn't a weapon. True combo happens when you use a weapon. I mean you should use the same weapon for do a true combo not another one.

No; True combo means that a straight sword swing always combos into black flame if you do it right.

Since you can roll out of it when it’s done properly, it’s not a true combo.

Wtf? True combos are when there are hit chains that you can't dodge out of. So it applies from other tools too?! WTF?! I DIDN'T KNOW THAT! XD Well, I'm doing it right but it doesn't combo into Black Flame. Because it only works with Pyromancer's Parting Flame as you said? Ah, wait. You're the guy that said that you don't think this is a true combo. Well, according to his video this is. Well, I always miss Black Flame. Because when they're gonna attack me I cast it but they just dodge it by moving. Because when I'm locked on on them I just can't catch them. :/

Originally posted by Lothric NASA Space Program:

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

No; True combo means that a straight sword swing always combos into black flame if you do it right.

Since you can roll out of it when it’s done properly, it’s not a true combo.

So, I'll go ahead and clear this up. To my knowledge, it's a true combo with the parting flame (and yes, I mean true combo) due to a secondary damage hitbox that the parting flame casts upon using pyromancies. It has the same cast speed, but if that second damage instance hits, you can pull off another black flame. Thus, similar to the old black knight GS true combo, this won't apply if the extra damage doesn't hit. Since this only has the range of your hand, you have to be close to be affected.

If this is old info, let me know.

Since you said "old Black Knight GS true combo" I need to ask if it's nerfed? Or if it isn't can you please tell me how does it work? I really need to win on duels. I'm just too bad. XD

Originally posted by we game in a society:

Originally posted by Lothric NASA Space Program:

So, I'll go ahead and clear this up. To my knowledge, it's a true combo with the parting flame (and yes, I mean true combo) due to a secondary damage hitbox that the parting flame casts upon using pyromancies. It has the same cast speed, but if that second damage instance hits, you can pull off another black flame. Thus, similar to the old black knight GS true combo, this won't apply if the extra damage doesn't hit. Since this only has the range of your hand, you have to be close to be affected.

If this is old info, let me know.

did you watch the video? the combo referenced here is SS R1 > Black Flame, not BF > BF

What is BF? Btw why did you said him that? What he says doesn't contradict with the video.

[仁義なき戦い]

Originally posted by we game in a society:

did you watch the video? the combo referenced here is SS R1 > Black Flame, not BF > BF

What is BF? Btw why did you said him that? What he says doesn't contradict with the video.

BF = black flame
he referenced a stagger applied by parting flame which allows a second black flame to be cast (aka BF > BF); but that's not the combo in the video, although it is a good combo

[Komunmak]

Originally posted by we game in a society:

What is BF? Btw why did you said him that? What he says doesn't contradict with the video.

BF = black flame
he referenced a stagger applied by parting flame which allows a second black flame to be cast (aka BF > BF); but that's not the combo in the video, although it is a good combo

Ah, right. Okay. ^_^ But I can't do that combo with Pyromancy Flame, not because it's not Pyromancer's Parting Flame, because my casting speed is not fast enough as him.

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Wudude
3 years ago
Id like to also note that this really only works with the new parting flame and not with a regular pyro flame

also, i dont think this is a true combo

I can't do that combo with Pyromancy Flame, not because it's not Pyromancer's Parting Flame, because my casting speed is not fast enough as him. So Pyromancer's Parting Flame is not the case. Because sometimes even I can do that combo. ;D