DS3 runs perfect as far as I am concerned

[Viper]

No crashes..no issues.. 60 FPS...max settings...not a single stutter. 58 hours game time. You need to have a mainstream PC . That is what these games are tested on. No off brands or strange hardware.

Windows 10 - Pro
Nvidia 362.00 drivers
Asus Z97 Pro Gamer MB
Intel I5 4690k CPU with Cooler Master aftermarket cooler ( not overclocked)
16 GB DDR3 1866 Corsair Memory
Asus Strix GTX 970 factory oced.
Samsung Evo 840 500GB SSD
WD Black 3 TB HD
650 Watt PSU

Xbox 360 wireless controller
Kensington Slimblade trackball
Microsoft SIdewinder X4 keyboard

All Mainstream..and I can not remember a game that did not work well at release. Even games like AC Unity that had major problems ran without any issues or any performance problems when it was released for me. I am just saying if you want to have no problems stick with major manufacturers and mainstream hardware. That is what these games are tested on and optimized for.

[Peregrin Took]

Originally posted by Viper:

And that does not mean you can make a Dark Souls game to run on an HD 4000 chip . I define a mainstream PC as a PC that seems to work well and have no issues in all games. Obviouusly it is close to what developers are testing their games on and optimizing them to run on..

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Then you are perhaps not aware how SW testing is done. Just because one testbench of the developer having a GTX 970 runs the game at max settings does not mean that it should crash on a GTX 960 with a few settings lowered. Or why swapping out an SSD for a HDD would result in fewer microstutters. People are reporting absolutely no difference in performance between the lowest and highest settings. That is a clear indication that the game has not been tested properly.

[Viper]

Wrong.. I have a degree in Web Development/ Programing at Clark College in Vancouver Washington.

And the game is crashing on 700 series cards when a bonfire in present. If you have a 960 crashing then you have another issue that is not the game. That is the very first crash I have heard about in this entire forum on a PC that has a 900 series Nvidia card.

[takashi_K]

Originally posted by Viper:

And that does not mean you can make a Dark Souls game to run on an HD 4000 chip . I define a mainstream PC as a PC that seems to work well and have no issues in all games.

lol, do you understand what circular reasoning is?

"the game will run fine and have no issues on a mainstream PC"
"I definite a mainstream PC as a PC that seems to work well and have no issues"

Thickheaded as a brick, this one.

Also, you're factually, objectively wrong. Tons of people who've been reporting problems have the same basic setup as you: Intel CPU, 16GB of Ram, single 970 GPU. Having "mainstream" hardware has nothing to do with it.

Guess I'll be waiting a few months before I pick this up, so From Software can actually get their act together.

[takashi_K]

Originally posted by Viper:

Wrong.. I have a degree in Web Development/ Programing at Clark College in Vancouver Washington.

That means nothing. I have a degree in Networking from Brookhaven and a CCNA. Lots of people here have similar certifications.

You're still dead wrong and being thick as mud about this. You obviously didn't internalize or understand basic troubleshooting, and just muddled through your degree by testing well without really ever "getting" that systems can have identical hardware specs and still be affected by different problems.

[Viper]

Originally posted by takashi_K:

Originally posted by Viper:

And that does not mean you can make a Dark Souls game to run on an HD 4000 chip . I define a mainstream PC as a PC that seems to work well and have no issues in all games.

lol, do you understand what circular reasoning is?

"the game will run fine and have no issues on a mainstream PC"
"I definite a mainstream PC as a PC that seems to work well and have no issues"

Thickheaded as a brick, this one.

Also, you're factually, objectively wrong. Tons of people who've been reporting problems have the same basic setup as you: Intel CPU, 16GB of Ram, single 970 GPU. Having "mainstream" hardware has nothing to do with it.

Guess I'll be waiting a few months before I pick this up, so From Software can actually get their act together.

Do you know why consoles all run games exactly the same. Becuase they are all exactly the same. If you have the same hardware as a person and the same drivers and your OS is up to date and you have no malware. Then you will run the game exactly the same as that person. Once you remove all the differences ..Common sense says they are identical.

[Viper]

Originally posted by takashi_K:

Originally posted by Viper:

Wrong.. I have a degree in Web Development/ Programing at Clark College in Vancouver Washington.

That means nothing. I have a degree in Networking from Brookhaven and a CCNA. Lots of people here have similar certifications.

You're still dead wrong and being thick as mud about this. You obviously didn't internalize or understand basic troubleshooting, and just muddled through your degree by testing well without really ever "getting" that systems can have identical hardware specs and still be affected by different problems.

So it means I know enough about Software testing to know a little on how it is done. One of my classes covered it completelly. And that was the only thing I was referring to when somebody said I probably know nothing about Software testing.

[Peregrin Took]

It still does not mean why the game should crash on a 700 series card if it runs fine on a 900 series card. There are likely two possible reasons, NVIDIA gimping the 700 series (which is true to some extent) or FromSoft not doing testing properly.

There are instances of GTX 980/970/960 crashing. Search these forums.

[Viper]

Originally posted by FOOL-OF-A-TOOK:

It still does not mean why the game should crash on a 700 series card if it runs fine on a 900 series card. There are likely two possible reasons, NVIDIA gimping the 700 series (which is true to some extent) or FromSoft not doing testing properly.

There are instances of GTX 980/970/960 crashing. Search these forums.

I agree with that...completelly. I was not trying to comment on Froms software state of the game when it was released. it sucks that so many people are having problems. I am not sticking up for From Software. Just commenting on my experience with games and my PC setup. I hope if you are having issues they will be solved.

[Viper]

Originally posted by FOOL-OF-A-TOOK:

It still does not mean why the game should crash on a 700 series card if it runs fine on a 900 series card. There are likely two possible reasons, NVIDIA gimping the 700 series (which is true to some extent) or FromSoft not doing testing properly.

There are instances of GTX 980/970/960 crashing. Search these forums.

I have not seen any of those issues of 900 series GPUs crashing however. I think if you look you will have a hard time finding them.

[Peregrin Took]

Originally posted by Viper:

Originally posted by FOOL-OF-A-TOOK:

It still does not mean why the game should crash on a 700 series card if it runs fine on a 900 series card. There are likely two possible reasons, NVIDIA gimping the 700 series (which is true to some extent) or FromSoft not doing testing properly.

There are instances of GTX 980/970/960 crashing. Search these forums.

I have not seen any of those issues of 900 series GPUs crashing however. I think if you look you will have a hard time finding them.

Perhaps there are isolated incidents of crashing, but there definitely are instances of FPS drops, even on the 900 series cards.

The most signifcant indicator of lack of optimization is the fact that there are no significant performance difference between the lowest and highest graphical settings on some PCs. This can indeed point to a greater problem of lack of proper testing as well.

Your original post implies that since the game works for you it must be because thats what the developers targeted for. You are projecting your own experinece as to what constitutes the norm and clearly people who are having issues with the game despite having capable PCs are finding fault with this line of argument.

[Viper]

Originally posted by FOOL-OF-A-TOOK:

Originally posted by Viper:

I have not seen any of those issues of 900 series GPUs crashing however. I think if you look you will have a hard time finding them.

Perhaps there are isolated incidents of crashing, but there definitely are instances of FPS drops, even on the 900 series cards.

The most signifcant indicator of lack of optimization is the fact that there are no significant performance difference between the lowest and highest graphical settings on some PCs. This can indeed point to a greater problem of lack of proper testing as well.

Your original post implies that since the game works for you it must be because thats what the developers targeted for. You are projecting your own experinece as to what constitutes the norm and clearly people who are having issues with the game despite having capable PCs are finding fault with this line of argument.

But I am not just basing it on just this game. That would be pretty dumb to base my opinion on just 1 sample. I am basing it on my experience over the 1 year since I built this PC. Its like this game runs great just like every game I buy. I know people are having problems. Even people who have better specs tham mine. Why is that. And this is what I came up with. Is there any other explanation that makes sense.

[Clone]

I'm running it on an HD 6670 (below minimum) and it's working. Resolution is scaled down and on low of course, but steady ~40 FPS.

[A Bunny]

Originally posted by Lentil:

Look! That house just collapsed. I don't know what their problem was...my house is fine.

[Cenobite]

Well ill be darnd, my computer just up and turned "mainstream" and the bonfire bug is fixed.....something downloaded, but gosh darn it, I dont know what those lil patch files do....there couldnt have been a DS bug.....could there?.....no.....impossible.....its my new magic mainstream computer....lol.

[Yu Sheo]

The only issues I have had is not gpu or cpu related. When being summoned, summoning phantoms just float around and you can't do any damage. Ridiculous really that it is happening. Actually got worse for me as it was fine to begin with no after the new patch it is constantly happening.