[SPOILER][SPOILER][SPOILER]Oceiros and Ocelote

[Krustenkäse]

In the boss fight with the consumed king Oceiros he searches for Ocelote (His son???)
Does someone has any information about this?

[BritishPatternBalding]

I dunno, but in his cutscene he looks like he is holding something(which we can't see). Then in the fight he has a the staff and the other hand is cradling something which looked like a baby in cloth?? I think it's an illusion though. I fought him a few times as summon and he for sure has something in his other hand.

[MeowMeowMeowMeowMeow]

His daughter. Ocei's wife gave birth to a child and then "mysteriously" dissappeared.
If I'm not mistaken, ocei was trying to recreate seathe's experiment of turning a human into a dragon (for example; Priscilla). Experiment didn't go according to plan and the something happened to occellote during birth. he cradles his non existant daughter, driven blind by his madness.

THEORY: Yorshka is actually occelotte with a new name...
"A sacred chime belonging to Yorshka. Her brother, the former knight captain, presented her with this medium together with another gift: her name."
- Yorshka's Chime

[hyunorz ⊂(・`ω´・⊂)]

I think he's blind and delusional from all the happenings and still hears his son and thinks he's embracing him, that's why he cradles/ In 2nd phase he jsut seems to lose it completely and realize his son is gone and the insanity takes control over him, that's why he becomes bestial in his moves and loses any kind of humanity he showed in the first phase, also the baby weeping stops.

I'm not completely sure, still building my theories and waiting for ppl like Vaati to confirm my speculations. I have a feeling there's a lot of reasonign behind why denizens of DS3 seem to be fusing with dragons or becoming one, though they look imperfect and lack any kind of sanity. There is a "perfect" halfdragon in the game and they seem completely different.

[THE JRINCH 3: REVENGE OF THE MER]

He's the former king of lothric. his years have been spent sitting in that fungus filled water cavern and so he has mutated to become very dragon like(that, or he is simply a dragonkin from archdragon peak thats been mutated), however he is blind and devoid of scales (like seath the scaleless, DS1) he previously had a child, ocelotte born of dragons, who disappeared from the cavern (or likely died and rotted away without Oceiros knowing), so the blind king cradles the empty air (or a dead bundle depends on unknown circumstances as to which you see) believing he's nursing his child.
midway through the fight you "kill" ocelotte in his arm, or he comes to the realization that his child isnt there anymore, desperately searches, and all at once loses his last semblance of humanity, turning into the DS3 Equivalent of Father Gascoigne.
people see the "prepare for sadness" messages everywhere because of the tragedy of this seemingly civil dragonkin and his lost child
not much else is known yet.

[Washing Machine]

Read the soul description. And the items you can make out of it.

Basically he worships Seath, wanted to make a pretty dragon child to carry his line, failed, went completely bananas.

Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose, leading him to the heretics of the Grand Archives, where he discovered the twisted worship of Seath the paledrake.

Oceiros, the Consumed King, was infatuated with the search for moonlight, but in the end, it never revealed itself to him.

[Krustenkäse]

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[Gracelyn Grausamkeit]

Personally I thought that Ocelotte is actually the firekeeper by making paralels with Shanalotte from DS2.
They have similar names, they are both children of dragons. Also in the Announcement trailer shows the Firekeeper putting on the eye-thingie which at first look seems far better suited to be a crown than to be some kind of rad abyssal glasses.
Then again the theory about the baby being invisible also seems plausible so I really can't say for sure.
On the other hand the area is messed initself- right after Oceiros you find the Dark Age version of Firelink which I still cannot comprehend but my best guess would be some kind of space/time distortion which can make out both the theory about the invisible baby and my theory about the Firekeeper being Ocelotte true. However Oceiros seems to talk about Ocelotte as it being male so this may also be an issue.
But as the Firekeeper's name isn't mentioned and there are some things to suggest that she's Ocelotte, for now this is my best guess.

[GMҞ]

You're pretty good.

[nangasaur]

There's an item in the game which describes that Ocelotte is Oceiros' youngest son. So, no need for all this theory.

[Linblum]

Originally posted by Klemmpyut:

Personally I thought that Ocelotte is actually the firekeeper by making paralels with Shanalotte from DS2.
They have similar names, they are both children of dragons. Also in the Announcement trailer shows the Firekeeper putting on the eye-thingie which at first look seems far better suited to be a crown than to be some kind of rad abyssal glasses.
Then again the theory about the baby being invisible also seems plausible so I really can't say for sure.
On the other hand the area is messed initself- right after Oceiros you find the Dark Age version of Firelink which I still cannot comprehend but my best guess would be some kind of space/time distortion which can make out both the theory about the invisible baby and my theory about the Firekeeper being Ocelotte true. However Oceiros seems to talk about Ocelotte as it being male so this may also be an issue.
But as the Firekeeper's name isn't mentioned and there are some things to suggest that she's Ocelotte, for now this is my best guess.

Uhh, no. Just no.

[Scrundle]

In the cutscene he clearly calls Ocelotte his son.

The strange thing is that when he loses his composure and slams the ground with his left arm (Which was previously cradling) you hear the noise of souls being released, which would imply that there actually was something invisible in his hand which just got wrecked.

But then counter to that you do continue to hear baby noises AFTER the smooshing so who even knows?

[Skooma Cat]

It is possible that Ocelotte - successful experiment of crossing dragon and human (?). Something similar to Priscilla. Perhaps this is why the child is invisible (Oceiros holding it in hand and can be heard baby crying). After applying a certain amount of damage Oceiros falls into a rage, and the sound of splitting souls - sound Ocelotte death. If it is true - we killed baby

[xGreedo]

Originally posted by Scrundle:

In the cutscene he clearly calls Ocelotte his son.

The strange thing is that when he loses his composure and slams the ground with his left arm (Which was previously cradling) you hear the noise of souls being released, which would imply that there actually was something invisible in his hand which just got wrecked.

But then counter to that you do continue to hear baby noises AFTER the smooshing so who even knows?

i hope this will answer your question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE
(they cut that out because its just too much)
"You will undestand why"

[BritishPatternBalding]

Necrothread

[Krustenkäse]

Originally posted by Brown Chimera:

Necrothread

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