Most damaging melee build for PVE?

[Airu]

I've been planning on making a build that i've heard is propably the most damaging melee build one can make with minimal stat investment (relatively speaking), i have a SL 99 quality build knight that i plan to respec into this build but i want to know if its any good first:

FTH Build (PVE only)

Class: Knight


SL: 99

VIG: 27

ATT: 14

END: 35 (will be raising it to 40, these are just the initial stats)

VIT: 21

STR: 35

FTH: 28

Don't Need: DEX, INT, LCK


Armor (i need to reduce weight so i'll just use something good looking (imo) and light):
Thief Mask
Drang Armor
Drang Gauntlets
Drang Shoes

Rings:
1. Knight's Ring
2. Havel's Ring
3. Lightning Clutch Ring
4. Ring of Steel protection

Weapon/Shield:
Dragonslayer Greataxe +5 / Saint's Talisman +9 / Wolf Knight's Greatshield +4 (farming the swordgrass for it is a pain in the ♥♥♥ to put it mildly)

Miracles:
Sacred Oath (Deep Protection until i can get it which is going to take some time since im afraid of doing co-op since i don't know if you will still get banned)

[Cooman]

drop the faith down a ton, use the sunlight straight sword instead, it's weapon art is sacred oath, yet if you use a simple infused off hand item it can be cast every 2.8sec if you want, since it only requires 1 fp to cast, with a lot less faith than the actual spell.

as far as weapons, look at these.

lothric knight greatsword
black Knight greatsword
black Knight greataxe
anri straight sword
yhorms machete
warden twinblade, hollow infuse + bleed resin.

[Airu]

Origineel geplaatst door ocoo:

drop the faith down a ton, use the sunlight straight sword instead, it's weapon art is sacred oath, yet if you use a simple infused off hand item it can be cast every 2.8sec if you want, since it only requires 1 fp to cast, with a lot less faith than the actual spell.

as far as weapons, look at these.

lothric knight greatsword
black Knight greatsword
black Knight greataxe
anri straight sword
yhorms machete
warden twinblade, hollow infuse + bleed resin.

I've heard that with 40 STR and DEX, BKGA is the hardest hitting melee weapon in the game AND it only deals physical damage. Did it get nerfed at some point tho?

[ImHelping]

I would still shoot for 40 STR, if you plan on using Yhorm's (or anything that needs 40 STR to one hand). Don't underestimate the ability to one hand a weapon when needed.

The above sound solid, though the great axe is a lovely STR weapon for before you have access to more shiny toys like Yhorms or black knight axe/greatsword, and stays great to competitive (plus it only needs normal titanite).

Black Knight GA is still amazing regardless of any "Nerfs", despite a lot of the tears. Plus a ton of it's appeal is it has some of the more generous hyper armor (I'm convinced all the horrible hyper on great club and such are because the black knight weapons stole their hyper).

Great Machete from undead settlment drops is also useful for it's lower requirements and weight while you are still building up your stats. (It can still pancake a silver knight with a charged two handed R2). But thats more a stepping stone weapon than anything. I know I never ever got great axes to drop no matter how hard I tried in High wall.

I am also a fan of the speckled stoneplate ring behind that ballista breakable wall in smouldering lake. Speckled stoneplate + Ring of steel protection let me hit 20s in all my defenses when wearing a combo of Drang chest and sellsword pants/gloves (And POPE HAT from the Archdeacon. Which also has suprisingly good stats)

While this goes against your build needs, I always like to try and shoehorn in 12 dex for shortbow pulls/saying screw it and filling something with a dozen arrows to death (Makes the Dungeon less of a ballbuster, for example).

[Bike Knight]

The Lothric Knight Greatsword can arguably reach the highest AR in the game, since it can be buffed even though it has inherent lightning damage. I hit about 934 AR with lightning blade and sacred oath at 40/40/30 STR/DEX/FAI. It's possible to hit far higher values with additional buffs, as I discovered with some testing.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690284807

[Airu]

Would this be better than the FTH build?

Quality Build (PVE only)

Class: Knight


SL: 114 (i can reduce STR, DEX and END until im SL 100 so i don't have to wait until SL 114, or i could always not equip the bow which reduces the amount of vitality i need (and brings the SL to 110) since i never use it in combat anyway, only to pull enemies and occasionally snipe)

VIG: 26

END: 40

VIT: 22

STR: 40

DEX: 40

Don't Need: ATT, INT, FTH, LCK


Armor:
Thief Mask
Drang Armor
Drang Gauntlets
Drang Shoes

Rings:
1. Havel's Ring
2. Ring of Favor
3. Ring of Steel Protection
4. Speckled Stoneplate Ring

Weapons/Shield:
Black Knight Greataxe +5 (AR 695 at 40 & 40, no split damage and doesn't rely on buffs to do damage) / Longbow +9 / Wolf Knight's Greatshield +4

[ImHelping]

If you want to cut down on levels, all you gotta do is dial back the DEX a ton (18 so you can wield Black knight and Lothric toys as needed) and use a heavy infusion with 50 or so STR instead. That will still be respectable damage.

"Most damage" and "Lowest level possible" are rather mutually exclusive even if you use phrasing like "Relativly speaking". You are going for 40/40 Quality. Even if you went for minimalist VIG/END/VIT in the process, that's a lot of levels.

Also while I did suggest steel+speckled, treat rings as more moment to moment utilities outside of your Havels and Favor you are using to pick up the equip load slack.

A ring of steel protection isn't going to help you deal with toxic, curse, or fall damage as much as their respective rungs, for example.

Wolf's knight greatshield is also not something you can rely on. While statistically it is desirable, it is also the 30 token Wolf covenant unlock. So don't bank on that unless you are certain you can get that grind done.

A lighter Lothric knight shield (Or BK/Silver if you can get them to have better stability at the time) will be a perfectly servicable buffer between dodges, ESPECIALLY if you are going for high end 40 END.

Black Iron shield is the lightest "good" greatshield you can get otherwise. Though Cathedrel Knight has the best weight to stability in the game you can get without going for the super massive ones like havels.

[Airu]

Origineel geplaatst door I'm Helping!:

If you want to cut down on levels, all you gotta do is dial back the DEX a ton and use a heavy infusion with 50 or so STR instead. That will still be respectable damage.

"Most damage" and "Lowest level possible" are rather mutually exclusive even if you use phrasing like "Relativly speaking". You are going for 40/40 Quality. Even if you went for minimalist VIG/END/VIT in the process, that's a lot of levels.

Also while I did suggest steel+speckled, treat rings as more moment to moment utilities outside of your Havels and Favor you are using to pick up the equip load slack.

A ring of steel protection isn't going to help you deal with toxic, curse, or fall damage as much as their respective rungs, for example.

I was talking about temporarily cutting down on levels (37 & 37 instead of 40 & 40 for example) so i can respec my old characater (SL 99) into the build i mentioned sooner and not have to wait until i can get more levels

[GrayHound]

1. Dark Sword (highest DPS + utility, imo)
   
2. Dragonslayer Swordspear + something simple in offhand (infinite OP lighning bolts that will (nearly) always hit (in PvE))

[ImHelping]

Origineel geplaatst door JMS:

Origineel geplaatst door I'm Helping!:

If you want to cut down on levels, all you gotta do is dial back the DEX a ton and use a heavy infusion with 50 or so STR instead. That will still be respectable damage.

"Most damage" and "Lowest level possible" are rather mutually exclusive even if you use phrasing like "Relativly speaking". You are going for 40/40 Quality. Even if you went for minimalist VIG/END/VIT in the process, that's a lot of levels.

Also while I did suggest steel+speckled, treat rings as more moment to moment utilities outside of your Havels and Favor you are using to pick up the equip load slack.

A ring of steel protection isn't going to help you deal with toxic, curse, or fall damage as much as their respective rungs, for example.

I was talking about temporarily cutting down on levels (37 & 37 instead of 40 & 40 for example) so i can respec my old characater (SL 99) into the build i mentioned sooner and not have to wait until i can get more levels

As a heads up, you can't reduce your levels on a respec. Whenever you respec (and you only get 5 respecs per New Game round), you have to put in all the levels you already had. So keep that in mind.

I suppose 99 is "Low" compared to PvP SL 120 meta. I skew towards the Normal Players In NG meta of SL 80 (SL 80 and +8 Weapons lets me still see signs and get bites for helping people through levels all the way back to Boreal Valley, with players running fun havers builds who actually need the help).

[Airu]

Origineel geplaatst door I'm Helping!:

Origineel geplaatst door JMS:

I was talking about temporarily cutting down on levels (37 & 37 instead of 40 & 40 for example) so i can respec my old characater (SL 99) into the build i mentioned sooner and not have to wait until i can get more levels

As a heads up, you can't reduce your levels on a respec. Whenever you respec (and you only get 5 respecs per New Game round), you have to put in all the levels you already had. So keep that in mind.

I suppose 99 is "Low" compared to PvP SL 120 meta. I skew towards the Normal Players In NG meta of SL 80 (SL 80 and +8 Weapons lets me still see signs and get bites for helping people through levels all the way back to Boreal Valley, with players running fun havers builds who actually need the help).

Whatever the case, is the build any good? Is it any good against faster enemies/bosses?

[fattythehutt]

I would make sure you are comfortable with your new build before you commit to it. Stength builds hit really hard, but they tend to be really slow. You are going to spend a lot of time perfecting your timing. Quality and dex are nice because they don't require the precision.

[Airu]

After doing some research, it seems that i can only swing the BKGA two times before i need to roll away since the 3rd swing drains any remaining stamina i have left even at 40 END and with Ring of Favor (i can actually swing even less than that if you count all the blocking and rolling i have to do). Greatswords seem to have a good balance between damage and speed and you can still combo with them thanks to their lower stamina cost (6 swings before i need to roll away, much better than the two (or even just one) of the BKGA

Drakeblood Greatsword seems quite interesting since you can buff it even though it deals split damage (hopefully that won't get changed...) and you can still deal really good damage with it even if you make it Raw. Any build ideas? I have one and i'll link it once im done writing it up since i can't link it directly from the planner like you could with the DS1 character planner

[Jack Blastem]

Origineel geplaatst door JMS:

Would this be better than the FTH build?

Quality Build (PVE only)

Class: Knight


SL: 114 (i can reduce STR, DEX and END until im SL 100 so i don't have to wait until SL 114, or i could always not equip the bow which reduces the amount of vitality i need (and brings the SL to 110) since i never use it in combat anyway, only to pull enemies and occasionally snipe)

VIG: 26

END: 40

VIT: 22

STR: 40

DEX: 40

Don't Need: ATT, INT, FTH, LCK


Armor:
Thief Mask
Drang Armor
Drang Gauntlets
Drang Shoes

Rings:
1. Havel's Ring
2. Ring of Favor
3. Ring of Steel Protection
4. Speckled Stoneplate Ring

Weapons/Shield:
Black Knight Greataxe +5 (AR 695 at 40 & 40, no split damage and doesn't rely on buffs to do damage) / Longbow +9 / Wolf Knight's Greatshield +4

This is exactly what I did for my main character after i had a grasp on how this game works. Well aside from armor and stam regen ring instead of speckled. Tho I may fiddle with that. I will never give up the Black Knight Great Axe and Wolf Knight shield. My favorite items from Dark Souls 1.

Edit: more to the point. Dear Odin it works wonders. The game was a breeze. Axe hits like a fright train. Wooooooooonderful move set. And even has the upercut.

[ WraithGear]

Someone just did a video about the rings... Nohtml I think.... He found that the ring values in the description are wrong for the clutch rings and the steel rings. And I agree with his findings the steel ring is garbage so put on a FAP and save some levels or wear the chloroanthy ring

[Airu]

Heres the build i was referring to:

Class: Knight


SL: 103

VIG: 26

ATT: 10

END: 40

VIT: 28

STR: 24

DEX: 18

FTH: 30

Don't Need: INT, LCK


Armor (i would never be able to get enough VIT to wear actual armor unless i needed so little STR and DEX):
Drakeblood Helm
Drakeblood Armor
Drakeblood Gauntlets
Drakeblood Leggings

Rings:
1. Havel's Ring
2. Ring of Favor
3. Lightning Clutch Ring
4. Ring of Steel Protection (for countering the defense penalty from the clutch ring)

Weapon/Shield:
Raw Drakeblood Greatsword +10 / Saint's Talisman +9 (not sure if its the best talisman in terms of miracle adjust) / Longbow +9 (used outside of combat only to snipe and pull enemies) / Wolf Knight's Greatshield +4

Miracles:
Lightning Blade (same damage as DMB but far easier to get)