Crystal Soul Spear doing 900~ damage around SL98 range?

[otakon17]

And this is of course after calculating defense and all that happy jazz, no buffs seen. Character was using that Fire Witch weapon. I really hate spellcasters in PvP it's so "set it and forget it" while I'm running around pure melee and unable to kill them in 1 hit because they still manage to have bunches of HP despite being a damn mage...

Here you damn animals, the video showing the spell and all that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfXYQF9z8hI

Also to note, I managed to tag them twice with 390 damage apiece while they were wearing the Oolacile headpiece and they still had about 400~ HP left..

['Oasis Kebab]

You use legion etiquette so it's ok for you to die

[Phoenix]

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heh someone didn't know sorcerers are boss at 60 int with the correct item build :D

Yep, though I am testing if it is truely pointless to stay at 60 or not. If you don't put any points into dex you can still get 30 vigor, 36 attunment, 20 stamina, and 77 intelligence. With one point put into strength to use the heritic staff, that puts you at SL 120. But I wonder if putting 15 of that intellect into dex is worth it or not.

Postat inițial de ocoo:

still have yet to be killed by a caster, must be the easiest to dodge attacks in game...

also did anyone not think of spell parrys??

IF you know they are there. There have been many times I can hide, cast soulmass, and when the invader comes around the corner my soulmass stuns them long enough for my crystal spear to finish the job. So many of my invasions have lasted seconds because of that move. Plus with obscuring ring, it is very easy for me to get behind you, or manipulate you into being where I want you to be if you have the ring. Case in point I activated the staircase to Aldrich and let my invader run past me and up the steps. Came out from behind and smoked him despite him thinking his ring would give him first strike.

Barring that, I have only ever had my blade parried once. With the lag parries don't usually happen. Uusally people just try to roll until they think I am out of stamina and then I just lay into them with my flash sword.

If you haven't met any caster that beat you, you haven't run into me.

Sorcery is the most powerful in terms of damage if you can take someone by surprise. I uploaded a video to my channel that shows me 1 shotting players waiting for me in a 3 man gank with soul stream while I stood atop their bodies waiting for the 3rd to notice lol.

It's tricky to kill players when they notice you but can be done with greatsword/flashsword.

I've uploaded a few and got tons not sorted through yet of me destroying hosts and summons with sorcery 1 shotting like 90% of them lol

[Terra Blade]

Postat inițial de Phoenix:

I've uploaded a few and got tons not sorted through yet of me destroying hosts and summons with sorcery 1 shotting like 90% of them lol

Ironically it is because everyone thinks 'sorcery sucks' so very few people play sorcerers...and thus nobody knows how to play against them. Once my friends fought me enough they started to learn how to counter me. But I still could kick ther butts. :)

Maybe we shouldn't be telling people how strong they are....so never mind folks. Sorcery sucks, but let me activate my fingers in case anyone needs some covenent items. >:)

[Phoenix]

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I've uploaded a few and got tons not sorted through yet of me destroying hosts and summons with sorcery 1 shotting like 90% of them lol

Ironically it is because everyone thinks 'sorcery sucks' so very few people play sorcerers...and thus nobody knows how to play against them. Once my friends fought me enough they started to learn how to counter me. But I still could kick ther butts. :)

Maybe we shouldn't be telling people how strong they are....so never mind folks. Sorcery sucks, but let me activate my fingers in case anyone needs some covenent items. >:)

Lol it still needs a rework imo, but can be deadly used right, melee i find is STILL more versitile I find mainly because of its no fp cost outside of weapon arts. but sheer damage sorcery wins.

I posted the video earlier on this thread I think with the video of decimating the host+ 1 of his 2 summons with 1 soul stream, obscuring ring XD

can be handy but shame they can still see your magic effects with it if they look at you.

[otakon17]

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If it hits and a fully charged R2 with the Astora Greatsword is a LOT slower than that cast of Crystal Soul Spear and has no homing capability.

No homing capability? MAGIC has no homing capability. It does, but it's absolute trash.

You got hit because you rolled face first into an aimed Soul spear.

Also, play unlocked on and aim your charged R2, it's really easy to hit with because people underestimate it's range or ♥♥♥♥ up the timing on the roll.

(Again, also, magic is unbelievably slow unless you waste points into dex or wear the sage ring, which he was)

No you idiot, I meant that the R2 doesn't have homing ability for the Astora Greatsword, not magic.

[otakon17]

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You use legion etiquette so it's ok for you to die

I didn't have the bow equipped, bite me.

[otakon17]

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If it hits and a fully charged R2 with the Astora Greatsword is a LOT slower than that cast of Crystal Soul Spear and has no homing capability.

No homing capability? MAGIC has no homing capability. It does, but it's absolute trash.

You got hit because you rolled face first into an aimed Soul spear.

Also, play unlocked on and aim your charged R2, it's really easy to hit with because people underestimate it's range or ♥♥♥♥ up the timing on the roll.

(Again, also, magic is unbelievably slow unless you waste points into dex or wear the sage ring, which he was)

I counted it. That spell came out in 2 seconds, it takes about 3 seconds MAYBE 4 to roll out a fully charged "knock you on your a** and do 900 damage" R2 for the Astora Greatsword with no way to speed it up and it's VERY telegraphed.

Postat inițial de Doom:

beaten by another player, a filthy spellcaster, ohhh nooooosssss. thats it, the end, time to switch to estoc and spam r1 for the rest of your dark souls life. You shot yourself in the foot making this discussion. I suggest you make a sorcery build FROM SCRATCH and try it yourself before inviting this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down on your head next time.

I just wanted input on how he was able to dish out that much damage while still having a fair amount of health and defense and stamina is all.

[!?!]

Wow you suck.
This is the easiest thing to sidestep ever.
You're the 1 guy in a 100 that doesn't know how to "counter" magic and actually managed to walk into a soul spear. Congrats.
Should've been a 1-hit.

[Terra Blade]

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Ironically it is because everyone thinks 'sorcery sucks' so very few people play sorcerers...and thus nobody knows how to play against them. Once my friends fought me enough they started to learn how to counter me. But I still could kick ther butts. :)

Maybe we shouldn't be telling people how strong they are....so never mind folks. Sorcery sucks, but let me activate my fingers in case anyone needs some covenent items. >:)

Lol it still needs a rework imo, but can be deadly used right, melee i find is STILL more versitile I find mainly because of its no fp cost outside of weapon arts. but sheer damage sorcery wins.

I posted the video earlier on this thread I think with the video of decimating the host+ 1 of his 2 summons with 1 soul stream, obscuring ring XD

can be handy but shame they can still see your magic effects with it if they look at you.

Is it as powerful as it is in the previous games? I don't hink so, but I actually like that magic requires more thought, and that I can play a 'pure' mage while not sacrificing range or melee. I do wish the bag of tricks was a little larger, but as it is I've had little trouble with mages once someone told me that 60 not 40 was the stat to aim for as a mage.

Plus I have been able to easily get both swamp scrolls, beat the Road of Sacrifices guard dog knight, kill the the swamp guard NPCs, and just basically clear out both undead settlment and the RoS all while 23. I plan to make a family share account as I don't see much auto summons so I think I got that bug, but I'm pretty sure once I hit 23 and got the flash sword spell the pvp doors open.

I get a week off in two days, and I plan to play the sorcerer to the point I can write my guide. Debating if I should do a video or just write it up. But we will see. But as it stands, I'm convinced that most of people's problems with sorcery is just not leveling it right or just not playing to it's strengths.

[Cooman]

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heh someone didn't know sorcerers are boss at 60 int with the correct item build :D

Yep, though I am testing if it is truely pointless to stay at 60 or not. If you don't put any points into dex you can still get 30 vigor, 36 attunment, 20 stamina, and 77 intelligence. With one point put into strength to use the heritic staff, that puts you at SL 120. But I wonder if putting 15 of that intellect into dex is worth it or not.

Postat inițial de ocoo:

still have yet to be killed by a caster, must be the easiest to dodge attacks in game...

also did anyone not think of spell parrys??

IF you know they are there. There have been many times I can hide, cast soulmass, and when the invader comes around the corner my soulmass stuns them long enough for my crystal spear to finish the job. So many of my invasions have lasted seconds because of that move. Plus with obscuring ring, it is very easy for me to get behind you, or manipulate you into being where I want you to be if you have the ring. Case in point I activated the staircase to Aldrich and let my invader run past me and up the steps. Came out from behind and smoked him despite him thinking his ring would give him first strike.

Barring that, I have only ever had my blade parried once. With the lag parries don't usually happen. Uusally people just try to roll until they think I am out of stamina and then I just lay into them with my flash sword.

If you haven't met any caster that beat you, you haven't run into me.

invasions don't really count to me, because I troll with the dragon bow, there's so many ways to troll with anything to insta kill 3 players with obscuring ring it doesn't really count to me. I could sit there all day at wolnir knocking people off bridges. takes no skill.

in a duel, you would have to be stupid to chase a person that's obviously buffing round a blind corner, not to mention I just keep the pressure up so you wouldn't get a chance to cast anything.

[stinker]

you're just bad at the game dude

[Phoenix]

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Is it as powerful as it is in the previous games? I don't hink so, but I actually like that magic requires more thought, and that I can play a 'pure' mage while not sacrificing range or melee. I do wish the bag of tricks was a little larger, but as it is I've had little trouble with mages once someone told me that 60 not 40 was the stat to aim for as a mage.

Plus I have been able to easily get both swamp scrolls, beat the Road of Sacrifices guard dog knight, kill the the swamp guard NPCs, and just basically clear out both undead settlment and the RoS all while 23. I plan to make a family share account as I don't see much auto summons so I think I got that bug, but I'm pretty sure once I hit 23 and got the flash sword spell the pvp doors open.

I get a week off in two days, and I plan to play the sorcerer to the point I can write my guide. Debating if I should do a video or just write it up. But we will see. But as it stands, I'm convinced that most of people's problems with sorcery is just not leveling it right or just not playing to it's strengths.

Yea, other games had it good, little too good before nerfing.
I play pure 10 stats in everything but int/attune/vig pretty much.
Hopefully dlc will add more versitility in spell types, I loved souls vortex in 2, it did very well in making people go where I wanted.

Flashsword is a wonder for sorcery, more damage I find than dark sword can dish out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUFyo424OLY that video I linked earlier shows just how damaging that flashsword can be at 62 int.

It replaced soul arrow that used to be the generic "deal with mobs" attack in ds1 and 2. and made it better but at the cost of requiring melee range.

Well I can offer my own input if u need, I've done well over 700 invasions now as pure sorcery alone, and a further like 600 or so as melee XD
Would be interesting in video or writing, I think I've gotten a good balance of personal health and defence and damage potential with 1 shotting most people now, so I'm happy with mine, even have room for a gimmicky spell like wall of light lol

[otakon17]

Postat inițial de chris:

Wow you suck.
This is the easiest thing to sidestep ever.
You're the 1 guy in a 100 that doesn't know how to "counter" magic and actually managed to walk into a soul spear. Congrats.
Should've been a 1-hit.

Yeah you got any constructive to add or just here to throw s*** because you've obviously never mis-rolled ever have you?

[Phoenix]

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Postat inițial de chris:

Wow you suck.
This is the easiest thing to sidestep ever.
You're the 1 guy in a 100 that doesn't know how to "counter" magic and actually managed to walk into a soul spear. Congrats.
Should've been a 1-hit.

Yeah you got any constructive to add or just here to throw s*** because you've obviously never mis-rolled ever have you?

It's not always misrolling either. I have gotten a few people who have rolled my spear by simply comboing spells, forcing them to roll to dodge my soulmass and then proceeding to get rekt by my spear on the roll out.

[otakon17]

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Yeah you got any constructive to add or just here to throw s*** because you've obviously never mis-rolled ever have you?

It's not always misrolling either. I have gotten a few people who have rolled my spear by simply comboing spells, forcing them to roll to dodge my soulmass and then proceeding to get rekt by my spear on the roll out.

THIS is a constructive comment. Thank you for actually adding something insightful.