Reason to use Black blade?

[Raziel Lewach]

If i'm not wrong, is just the worse katana, yea, even worse than Bloodlust, that at least has the highest damage while the buff is active.

Black blade has the worse range and worse damage if i'm right. There's not a reason to use it. Moveset is the same except for the different 2H R2, but has the same speed and damage.

Reason? Something i'm missing?

[Valky]

Originally posted by DarkK Raziel:

If i'm not wrong, is just the worse katana, yea, even worse than Bloodlust, that at least has the highest damage while the buff is active.

Black blade has the worse range and worse damage if i'm right. There's not a reason to use it. Moveset is the same except for the different 2H R2, but has the same speed and damage.

Reason? Something i'm missing?

Fashion souls.

[Raziel Lewach]

Its not even that different, they are katanas, from far they all seem like the same...

So, we can say it's totally useless? I dont want to think that, cause FROM does not make bad weapons unless in purpose (spoon, broken sword) and this is not a case

[Brother Skolas]

you mean the Ladle from 2? ahh cast mundane on it XD deals like 5 points with out it and once i put it on i wacked my friend for 130 XD

[Woudragon]

Without poise? There is no reason to use the Black Blade.
As the shortest katana it doesn't even benefit from a slight attack speed increase.
It basically will never hit anyone with at least half a brain.

[Valky]

Originally posted by DarkK Raziel:

Its not even that different, they are katanas, from far they all seem like the same...

So, we can say it's totally useless? I dont want to think that, cause FROM does not make bad weapons unless in purpose (spoon, broken sword) and this is not a case

Stats wise, a player will always look for the ones who do the most damage, only a rare bunch sticks and commit to a certain erray of weapons that are deemed weak or useless in PvP, im one of those persons.

[Adachi Ame]

Black Blade Does seem to scale with Lightning Infusion a lot more than the others I think.

[Raziel Lewach]

Damage is not everything. Having a different moveset, for example, can make a weapon better, even if less damage. For example, DS2 butcher knife had a 180º tracking while locked in, and the 1h R2 was like a jump attack, the moveset was absurdedly unpredictable. It made the weapon good, even if bad damage.

Using weapons that are just weak for pvp is not funny... its supposed to take tradeoffs, you use this weapon with less X but more Y, that's the fun, and usually all weapons are balanced, FROM does a GJ.

The only good thing black blade has, i think, is the blocking. 5-10 more % blocking in everyting and 10 more stability, but katanas sucks to block so...

Originally posted by Adachi Ame:

Black Blade Does seem to scale with Lightning Infusion a lot more than the others I think.

That's worth a try, someone with high INT/FTH that CAN infuse (not accepting, just seeing the menu stats when you select the infusion)?

[Valky]

Originally posted by DarkK Raziel:

Damage is not everything. Having a different moveset, for example, can make a weapon better, even if less damage. For example, DS2 butcher knife had a 180º tracking while locked in, and the 1h R2 was like a jump attack, the moveset was absurdedly unpredictable. It made the weapon good, even if bad damage.

Using weapons that are just weak for pvp is not funny... its supposed to take tradeoffs, you use this weapon with less X but more Y, that's the fun, and usually all weapons are balanced, FROM does a GJ.

The only good thing black blade has, i think, is the blocking. 5-10 more % blocking in everyting and 10 more stability, but katanas sucks to block so...

I tend to use weaker weapons for the challenge or just because i dont like belonging to a certain group of players, in a game where variety is plenty, you should at least be able to decide what works and what doesnt by yourself, instead of googling the best build right off the bat.

[Raziel Lewach]

It's absurd to handicap yourself. PVP is already the hardest thing in the game, you fight against other human players... you have to be fairly prepared.

That's different than PVE, where for example i wear Calamithy ring to handicap myself because after NG it's too easy.

Originally posted by Miyumi:

you should at least be able to decide what works and what doesnt by yourself, instead of googling the best build right off the bat.

Well, what works and what doesnt is an objective thing, so googling is okay, it can save your time, for example if it's already found. And, for what i see, black blade base damage is higher, but i dont know about scaling (refined is C/C like all the other katanas). More damage for less range is okay, taking into account everything else is nearly the same, but the damage is so minimal that...

And blocking... who blocks with katanas? I dont think that's worth, and will put you in guard break. I dont know... though, it has 10-15 more stability points. Maybe black blade is indeed better, at least.. tomorrow i'll take it to +9 and try blocking with it, compared to Chaos blade. And... well... someone with 40/40 should compare how are the scaling for them, maybe black blade C/C is stronger than uchigatana C/C

But for now i'll think that, maybe, black blade blocking is really nice (10-15 more stability IS A LOT), i'll go sleep and i'll test it tomorrow

[Raziel Lewach]

Okay, i did some tests, and it's still quite dumb...

Black blade Stability to block is 11 greater than chaos blade. I did some testing and, well, you can notice some difference...

Maybe black blade is the katana with the better damage. I compared Washing pole +6 and black blade +6, and the second wins... for a bit, in both base and scaling. Washing pole costs more FP (but, at some point, who cares). Defenses are a bit higher for Washing pole, and stability is maybe the same ~_~

PD: Why the stupid name? Washing pole? My game is in Spanish, and it's called "Nodachi", what sounds better and fits into the theme, like "Uchigatana"

[Rafael]

Keep in mind that maybe it has more parry frames on its weapon art. We know now for a fact that the Chaos blade has the same parry startup and active frames as a small shield while the Washing Pole and Uchigatana have the worst frames of any parry tool. We don't know yet what the parry frames of the black blade are.

[Drake]

About the name, while Nodachi is the name of the weapon type (a nodachi is a long katana, which is what this is in the game and that's why in most translations of the game it's called nodachi), it's a reference to the "Washing Pole" (Mono-hoshi zao in japanese) which is the nodachi of a very famous japanese warrior (sasaki kojiro).

[Raziel Lewach]

Whaaat!?! Chaos blade has the best parry?!... that totally makes me happy to choose Chaos blade (i hate buffs and resins). Then it's interesting, i wonder what are Black blade parry frames.. and how did they test it.

And, for the love of god, no. Why is everyone talking about startup frames on katana?... i've been using it a lot, both PVE and PVP, and the START UP FRAMES are between 0 and 8, of course while in the stance. Can be even less than 8, i nearly dont feel any startup, i can parry pure in reaction, like DS1 PVE. Sometimes, in pvp, i enter stance, in front of the enemy, he had like a Greatsword, and i pressed parry just when he started the attack, zero prediction, and i succeed a lot of times, because the startup is nearly inexistant.

So, for now, i can discard all the other katanas so happily, knowing Chaos blade has the best parry, that was my only purpose. Well, until we find Black blade, the only last katana with a parry to test

Anyone has the source where find the parry frames of katana's "Hold" stance? I cannot find it

Originally posted by Sajah:

About the name, while Nodachi is the name of the weapon type (a nodachi is a long katana, which is what this is in the game and that's why in most translations of the game it's called nodachi), it's a reference to the "Washing Pole" (Mono-hoshi zao in japanese) which is the nodachi of a very famous japanese warrior (sasaki kojiro).

Interesting... but still, doesnt "Washing pole" sounds bad, while Nodachi sounds great? ~_~

[Raziel Lewach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bveSEIll5tw

See that video. It's an example that shows how she parries right before getting hit, like if it had between 0 and 4 startup frames, and it works! And i did the same a lot of times both PVP and PVE, so it's not an old patch.

Maybe know it's between 4 and 8 because of a patch, but still close to the video. I'm sure the startup is NOT 10 frames like caestus-buckler, it's a lot less, even between 3 and 6

it has sense, because if you are not in stance, entering stance + doing parry can take you like 16 or more frames, but if you are in the stance, the parry can be under 6 frames. It's a "hey, i'm in the stance, ready. The time is slow-mo arround me, my reaction has no limit, im totally prepared. If you have the guts to attack me while i'm in this max-reaction stance, you'll get parried". It's a stance made for that, and the downside: if you receive hits after attacking or rolling, and you are not in the stance ready, u'll have MORE startup frames because of entering the stance.

[Max]

I wrote a character in a fanfiction that used a black katana, so I use it for cosplay. Otherwise I steer clear of katanas.