Untended graves, full exploring

[Raziel Lewach]

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At first walkthrough, NG+, i found that some parts of intended graves Firelink shrine were destroyed, making it impossible to go upstairs to Patches place, also not being able to go outside the three and the tower (i dont know if other places were unaccesible), but in NG+, this was opened. I went out, ofc the door wont open, but i managed to jump to the ROOFTOP by running and jumping towards the tree, so the weird physics make me jump higher to the rooftop. I managed to go to the open window until the chest where you find Silver serpent ring, but the chest was opened and nothing else. I managed to go down to where the lizard is, thinking i could find something new, but for now nothing (maybe we can find something hidde). For now, not able to climb to the tower.

This area... is calling me, maybe there's some secret. Someone said that the director said we still had an area that nobody discovered, and that when you see the tabs in the bonfire teleporting, there's a place for another area...

And the main focus is, WHY it was destroyed for me in NG and i was not able to go to patches and OUTSIDE, but in NG+ is opened? Its just opened in NG+, or you have to do something else, special? I also remember more areas being destroyed, but now i can access everywhere in firelink (other than the 2 doors that wont open).

[Larai]

The Untended Graves is the Firelink Shrine in the past during a time after an age of fire and during an age of dark.

[Charlie]

引用自 Larai：

The Untended Graves is the Firelink Shrine in the past during a time between the ages of fire and dark.

which is why gundyr is a champ and not iudex yet

after you kick his ass he awaits for you to show up again

[GonthorianDX]

if you never pick up the sword master gear it will also appear in the untended graves, its a parallel

[Raziel Lewach]

引用自 Numberwang：

OP, I believe you are confusing the untended grave's "dark shrine" with the kiln of the first flame's "Flameless Shrine".

it's confusing with 3 different versions, and with those 2 alternates both seemingly being dark dystopian versions of the shrine. in the Flameless Shrine, it looks very similar to the dark shrine and the stairs are blocked by rubble.

Totally my bad xD Now that you say, yea, that could be the flameless shine... my bad T_T Paths blocked by rubble was in the flameless shine. Thats why i couldn also reach Andre and other NPC's spots.

引用自 Thex - Leo：

引用自 DarkK Raziel：

Someone said that the director said we still had an area that nobody discovered

Do you have some sauce on that?

Nope, i just head that here in the forums, he said that there's an space in the "travel" tabs, meaning that we could have 1 area that nobody discovered yet. I dont have access to all areas to talk about that

引用自 Larai：

If you haven't seen this yet then it's something interesting to know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5mHuSFRzZM

That's so interesting D: Then Untended graves is in the past?!? But other things prove it's the future so...

引用自 GonthorianDX：

if you never pick up the sword master gear it will also appear in the untended graves, its a parallel

Then it has no sense that Darklink shrine is in the past... NONSENSE.

People, firelink shrine is not the past, not the future. Is a parallel dimension, timeless, where the fire was never linked. Thats why Andre is dead (it's the future), the maiden is the past and will recognise you if you talk the dark first (it's the past), the sword master gear will be picked in the dark if u dont pick it (its future), you see the eyes of firekeeper that Ludleth will recognise (they are in the past, from the previous firekeeper that died), the chest contains the same ring (timeless, order doesnt matter), theres nobody, no corpses, no items (future), signs you put in Dark appears in normal, and i think also viceversa (timeless, or at least past), yoels ashes appearing if the died by natural causes (future)... it's a timeless dimension. Thats why the boss is a timeless one (not a future, not a past version) version of the first one

引用自 Rinera：

The whole geographical linking of the the Grave along with it being after Oceiros' encounter, and the area working as a future of the current Firelink Shrine, makes no sense for that world to exist and for that Lord to say this is an event in the past.

You can find Yoel's ashes there as well, if he has died in Firelink Shrine on your current playthrough.

Everything, EVERYTHING has a purpose in dark souls. From DS1 to DS2 (i dont know any examples from DeS) HAS A PURPOSE.

Smelter demon from DS2? Oh, it has an amazing backstory related to the old fire king, it was not there put in random. The serpent-girl in the poison valley? Damn, he was an amazing backstory, related to the old fire king! EVERYTHING HAS A PURPOSE AND A MEANING.

HERE? I'm sure it's the same. The reason Untended graves is behind Oceiros room has SOME MEANING we have to discover, now, or with the DLCs. And for now, i'll keep thinking that Untended Graves is a timeless, parallel dimension cause, as we saw, there are proves that tells us BOTH that it's a PAST and FUTURE version. So, conclusion, it's a timeless parallel dimension, where both past and present collide, and we have to find WHY it is behind oceiros. It was not random to be there, I'm sure about that