Dark Souls 3 takes place before DS2

[Black Snake]

So I've played the game multiple times now, circled over the lore, and came up with theories. DS3 ignores DS2 because it actually takes place before DS2. Here me out here.

We learned in DS2 that both endings in DS1 were canon. If we light the bonfire we only extend the world for a short while (bout 1000 years). but if we walk away, it doesn't matter, because there will always be somebody else who will light it. This is important to note because in DS3, 2 of the endings do nothing to change the age of fire. If we kill the boss and light the fire, all we did was start a new era.... somebody else will come by eventually and strike us down. But if we choose the dark ending and let the fire keeper put out the fire, before the credits she mentions that it also won't matter. new fires will be born in the darkness someday. Why does this matter? Because if the end of fire ending is canon, then it gives us a clean slate at a new world. A world where lordran was just a myth and no gods exist. Where new gods could start their own fires and build their own kingdoms. A place like Drangleic.

It seems strange that there are so few chars that return in DS2 but so many in DS3. the only one I can remember for sure who returned was Ornstein in DS2........ and even he may not truly be Ornstein...... We know that Gwynn had many knights who dawned the dragonslayer armor and fought dragons. We also know the Captain (Ornstein) was sent to go find the nameless king and was killed in the process. This Old Dragonslayer in DS2 may very well be either an Ornstein that came from the abyss or just another man who dawned the very same armor.

The one argument can be made for the dead laddersmith in the profained capital. This one is hard to explain, except for the fact that you have to remember that this takes place years before the events of the second game. Laddersmith G. could have had an ancestor who died there... Even weirder is the statement that with each age of fire, events repeat himself. Just look at patches. Mysteriously appears in every game with no logic.... (unless it's not the same patches) the world repeats itself. This guy is not the same patches per say and neither is this the same laddersmith.

The next problem is the drang armour found in the cathedral... Honestly it is a problem. We know by the lore that it is the kings armor from DS2 but it does strike me as strange that it is mentioned as Drang Armor and not Drangleic armor. and those hammers never belonged to the king. (he was known to use a great sword) So it is possible they used the same looking armor to describe an ancient kingdom (stretch I know)

Lucatiels mask is written off by the fact that the only way to aquire it is from our crow. We have no clue who this crow is and where it gets it's items. I'd like to believe that these were items that did not fit logically in the game world so they put it in as..... Fanservice/rewards. I don't think they are canon as there is no logic to them. The armor is found in the undead settlement but it never mentions lucatiel, only mirrah, which most likely existed during all three games (but just wasn't mentioned in DS1)

So where does that leave us? It is possible that at the end of DS1 somebody managed to link the fire.. we extended the age of fire for multiple generations. Kings come and go as they do. But after time the fire begins to fade and the previous lords decide they don't want to pull this crap anymore. They give up..... They go home to live out their final days. Queue DS3. we try to fix it in an attempt to extend the age of man....... Until we realize that it does matter. We either link the fire AGAIN (and extend the age of man some more) or we put the flame out for good. let the age of darkness begins.

But it doesn't matter....... it never has. The fire will return..... small at first and then burst to life. a new fire is born (maybe millions of years later) lands are built and the cycle begins again. After an unknown time Drangleic is built. this is where we end the story........ Aldia said it best. It doesn't matter what we do. Do we want to be the next monarch? doomed to complete the cycle once again? or shall we walk away.......

Sorry for the long winded post. I doubt many people will read it all.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Dark Souls 2 Is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if taken the Kaathe path of Darkness.

Dark Souls 3 is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if you link the fire.

Dark Souls 3 probably takes place after Dark Souls 2, but it doesn't matter really, because both are essentially different threads of a divergent universe.

[Black Snake]

Sifer2 původně napsal:

EmpirePhoenix původně napsal:

Lucatiels mask description;

A Hollow once fought valiantly with this mask, but feared the fading of her self, and implored a comrade remember her name.

Perhaps that is why this gentleman's mask is named after a woman.

A.k.a. If you followed her story in DS2 you became the comrade she asked to remember her name and now in DS3 you find her old mask that is now named after her i suspect by the DS2 chosen one.

Yeah that. DS2 Giants are present. And a dude that looks like the Ladder guy is dead in this game. Probably more stuff but that's already pretty good evidence. It's just pretty odd there is so littler reference to Drangleic, and that Anor Londo is still around. Even if it is surrounded by a different kingdom.

Guess my post wasn't read...... but okay

[MundM]

Too long text and no potato.
DS 2 never happened. It's not in the same canon, it just uses some items to just have them in there. Not same timeline, not same dimension, not gonna be played by me ever again.

[Plasma Soul X]

Hobo Misanthropus původně napsal:

Dark Souls 2 Is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if taken the Kaathe path of Darkness.

Dark Souls 3 is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if you link the fire.

Dark Souls 3 probably takes place after Dark Souls 2, but it doesn't matter really, because both are essentially different threads of a divergent universe.

Good theory but how can you explain the undented graves? That to me seems like Kaathe ending. Like a split in time. Remember time is all kinds of messed in this world... that's said in DS1.

[Dam Stark]

it just feels like dark souls 2 happens ages after 1 but 3 wanted to be the final one and retconned it so it happens before. Lothric is one big plot devise

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Plasma Soul X původně napsal:

Hobo Misanthropus původně napsal:

Dark Souls 2 Is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if taken the Kaathe path of Darkness.

Dark Souls 3 is the Ending of Dark Souls 1 if you link the fire.

Dark Souls 3 probably takes place after Dark Souls 2, but it doesn't matter really, because both are essentially different threads of a divergent universe.

Good theory but how can you explain the undented graves? That to me seems like Kaathe ending. Like a split in time.

Untended Graves are explained by the Soul of Champion Gundyr. Gundyr was supposed to be the next Champion, but he didn't wake fast enough to link the fire in time, and so was cursed to test the future champions that would come.

I think Untended Graves are supposed to be kind of a parallel warning to the Champion of Ash of what the world will become with no fire, and is disconnected from the "World" itself, which is why you cannot return to the Untended graves (Or Firelink) without using a bonfire.

[I KNOW KUNG FU !]

There are Dead characters in DS3 from DS2. Like Lucatiel , Laddersmith , Alva

[Lashane The Simp of Mimi]

Dark Souls 2 never happened.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

HeLLnAR DoomBringer původně napsal:

There are Dead characters in DS3 from DS2. Like Lucatiel , Laddersmith , Alva

That doesn't really mean anything though, if you subscribe to the alternate universe theory. As these people would exist regardless of what happens in DS2.

[Darkeshi]

in ds2 the old chaos was still kicking under Eleum Loyce, in ds3 there is only remains of the chaos and izalith, also there is a couple of references to Vendric and his real (the shield of want, the drang set and weapons)

for me there is enough evidence the games happend chronologically

[Krono]

Fume Ultra Greatsword description:
"This twisted sword, the heaviest of all ultra greatswords, resembles black slate.“

This weapon, said to belong to a traitor from long ago, was so heavy that it found no owner, and became a forgotten relic of history"

Explain that one Op. You can't justify every single one of your arguments with "well that ds2 item is there because time is convoluted"

[Plasma Soul X]

Hobo Misanthropus původně napsal:

Plasma Soul X původně napsal:

Good theory but how can you explain the undented graves? That to me seems like Kaathe ending. Like a split in time.

Untended Graves are explained by the Soul of Champion Gundyr. Gundyr was supposed to be the next Champion, but he didn't wake fast enough to link the fire in time, and so was cursed to test the future champions that would come.

I think Untended Graves are supposed to be kind of a parallel warning to the Champion of Ash of what the world will become with no fire, and is disconnected from the "World" itself, which is why you cannot return to the Untended graves (Or Firelink) without using a bonfire.

Yes I can see your point; big time but think of it as he was supposed to be the chosen undead BUT was to late in that time. The reason why I say this is because of the Black Knights pressent. They don't add up.

[Black Snake]

might just be a case of bad story telling. I will agree some things make sense for the argument of chronologically. But then there are other things that point to DS3 being a prequel. Unless FROM straight comes out and says it (which they wont) it'll have to be left up to interpretation. Remember, the whole community was so sure Solaire was Gwyn's son. And it was fan canon until FROM basically shut that ♥♥♥♥ down. This is the same case. There will always be two groups.

[Ruego Al Alba]

Can we also take a look at the Undead Curse for a moment? In Dark Souls 1 your hollow form is pink and stuff and you can see what looks like roots in your chest. In Dark Souls 2 you were green and gangrenous while also sporting a Darksign on your left shoulder (this is the only time you see a Darksign on your player character in all three games if I have my information correct). To restore your humanity between the two games, one used a raw humanity sprite and the other used a human effigy. Some argue that the human effigy isn't actually humanity and that it only reminds you of who you are, thus allows you to restore your humanity. If that's true, the nature of the Undead Curse is very different between the two game time periods.

Dark Souls 3 comes around and the conditions for hollowing have changed. Your hollow form is mostly the same as the Dark Souls 1 hollow form, but in order to get your hollow form you need Dark Sigils. Dark Sigils are new to the universe if I have my information correct, and humanity is restored via Purging Stones, the Fire Keeper healing them, or Dissolution. The Humanity Sprite doesn't seem to exist at all anymore, human effigies were never in the game or mentioned, and now we are introduced to a new type of Undead called Unkindled.

This is three different curses from three different eras, though since DS1 and DS3's Undead Curses have more in common with each other than DS2's Undead Curse, I'm honestly more comfortable believing that DS3 comes before DS2 and after DS1. This also explains why there are still Firekeepers around, whereas at the beginning of DS2 before your travel back in time the only Firekeeper left is Old Emerald Herald. Navlaan also says that Emerald Herald is supposedly the last Firekeeper as well, which also leads me to believe that Things Betwixt where other Firekeepers (or former Firekeepers?) reside takes place between the era of Drangleic and the era after the ending of Drangleic and far after the ending of Dark Souls 3, but before player character of Dark Souls 2 goes back in time.


There's also a chance that I'm full of ♥♥♥♥ and coming up to conclusions that don't make sense.

[Black Snake]

Krono původně napsal:

Fume Ultra Greatsword description:
"This twisted sword, the heaviest of all ultra greatswords, resembles black slate.“

This weapon, said to belong to a traitor from long ago, was so heavy that it found no owner, and became a forgotten relic of history"

Explain that one Op. You can't justify every single one of your arguments with "well that ds2 item is there because time is convoluted"

I hate to say it but how do you know that this weapon is talking about Raime. The word Traitor? what if there was another traitor long ago that weilded this sword..... What if Raime found this sword and it was just a coincidence that he also was a traitor. The world is full of traitors. Hell almost every other NPC betrays you in some way. We don't know for sure that this word Traitor means Fume Knight. For all you know, it could be talking about Joe the Traitor of Londor. And then many many years later it finds its way into Raime the traitors hands in DS2.