SPOILERS - Where is the lord of cinder from Dark souls 2?

[Bonham]

So it's dark souls 2 canon or not? I see references all over dark souls 3 to things that appear in dark souls 2, armour and whatnot, but there must have been somebody in dark souls 3 that represents the character that linked the flame in that era (post dark souls 1 and pre dark souls 3), so, who is it?

Or maybe the character from dark souls 2 didnt link the flame? Then, what the hell happend afterwards? why isnt there an era of dark?

[Sorait]

SirusTheMadDJ původně napsal:

drnmontemayor původně napsal:

There is a direct reference to DS2 player character in Lucatiel's Mask.

FALSE.

That's refering to her story. As in Lucatiel directly, not a female "Bearer of the Curse". And once again, the "cure fo the curse" story is a ruse designed to trap people into trying to stop Queen Nashandra from recovering the throne.

There's never been a canon "player character", thus assuming that the game can directly refer to the player of a previous title is meaningless.

You're "right" about the rest of it, again I'll mention we're certainly not alone in the world as you'd like to believe. It's even clearer in DS3. Remember Hawkwood's comments? "Oh, it's another one!"...

"A Hollow once fought valiantly with this mask, but feared the fading of her self, and implored a comrade remember her name."

[Skiptro]

Sorait původně napsal:

SirusTheMadDJ původně napsal:

FALSE.

That's refering to her story. As in Lucatiel directly, not a female "Bearer of the Curse". And once again, the "cure fo the curse" story is a ruse designed to trap people into trying to stop Queen Nashandra from recovering the throne.

There's never been a canon "player character", thus assuming that the game can directly refer to the player of a previous title is meaningless.

You're "right" about the rest of it, again I'll mention we're certainly not alone in the world as you'd like to believe. It's even clearer in DS3. Remember Hawkwood's comments? "Oh, it's another one!"...

"A Hollow once fought valiantly with this mask, but feared the fading of her self, and implored a comrade remember her name."

lucatiel was a hollow, the mask refers to her not the player

every boss in DS2 is a reference to the original owner of the lord soul in DS1, players have no agency in dark souls lore, the lord's of cinder in ds3 are not representations of players but of lords in previous games. Abyss watchers reference artorius, the skeleton guy references Manus, etc etc.

what the players do in the previous game never influences lore.

[Sorait]

GungZA původně napsal:

Sorait původně napsal:

"A Hollow once fought valiantly with this mask, but feared the fading of her self, and implored a comrade remember her name."

lucatiel was a hollow, the mask refers to her not the player

every boss in DS2 is a reference to the original owner of the lord soul in DS1, players have no agency in dark souls lore, the lord's of cinder in ds3 are not representations of players but of lords in previous games. Abyss watchers reference artorius, the skeleton guy references Manus, etc etc.

what the players do in the previous game never influences lore.

"implored a comrade to remember her name"

[SirusTheMadDJ]

Yes. Comrade.

Not Chosen Undead.

Or Bearer of the Curse.

[AIntPJZ]

You have three option in DS3

Link the fire
Let it fade
Or steal it.

[GMҞ]

GungZA původně napsal:

Sorait původně napsal:

"A Hollow once fought valiantly with this mask, but feared the fading of her self, and implored a comrade remember her name."

lucatiel was a hollow, the mask refers to her not the player

every boss in DS2 is a reference to the original owner of the lord soul in DS1, players have no agency in dark souls lore, the lord's of cinder in ds3 are not representations of players but of lords in previous games. Abyss watchers reference artorius, the skeleton guy references Manus, etc etc.

what the players do in the previous game never influences lore.

Unless it's Soul of Cinder.

[drnmontemayor]

SirusTheMadDJ původně napsal:

drnmontemayor původně napsal:

There is a direct reference to DS2 player character in Lucatiel's Mask.

FALSE.

That's refering to her story. As in Lucatiel directly, not a female "Bearer of the Curse". And once again, the "cure fo the curse" story is a ruse designed to trap people into trying to stop Queen Nashandra from recovering the throne.

There's never been a canon "player character", thus assuming that the game can directly refer to the player of a previous title is meaningless.

You're "right" about the rest of it, again I'll mention we're certainly not alone in the world as you'd like to believe. It's even clearer in DS3. Remember Hawkwood's comments? "Oh, it's another one!"...

There is one bit in the description of Lucatiel's mask that talks about when she asks you to remember her name. That is why the mask has her name, while her set just says Mirrah. The Bearer of the Curse can literally be any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ character in the game, ffs. And it is very clear that is a reference to those that made the sidequest. You are deliberately contrarian, and deny the obvious.

Dark Sould 2 doesn't even mention Chosen Undeads because that is a redundant title. Not even in DS1 that was special, as Cresfallen made very clear.

And in DS3, Siegward and plenty of other characters are Unkindled, too. He even says this textually "we Unkindled." It is no mystery that we are not the only Unkindled in DS3.

[SirusTheMadDJ]

drnmontemayor původně napsal:

There is one bit in the description of Lucatiel's mask that talks about when she asks you to remember her name.

Read the last few posts. A Comrade. Nothing direct.

That is why the mask has her name, while her set just says Mirrah.

Because it's her mask. The gear is common for a knight of Mirrah, as is said in both 2 and 3. Her mask is different because it's to hide her hollowing.

As is explained in the quest.

Read what you're quoting. The poster I was "correcting" said the item refered to the character in Dark Souls 2. Were this the case, it would mention a lot more than just "a comrade". Soliare's been referenced harder in other items, as well as other major players in the series.

Which you yourself admit.

The Bearer of the Curse can literally be any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ character in the game, ffs.

So, not just the player character.

Once again, the player character is NEVER directly referenced in the lore. It's accepted that BOTH endings happened in BOTH the previous games, with someone else completing the linking if some one else refused.

And it is very clear that is a reference to those that made the sidequest. You are deliberately contrarian, and deny the obvious.

Says the person that just contradicted themselves.

And once again, READ. THE. POST.

The mask IS her mask. No-one has said otherwise, and there's no point denying that as it's there in black and white in the item info.

But to say that it's DIRECTLY refering to the "previous player in Dark Souls 2" is WRONG.

Which, again, you cover. By mistake.

Dark Souls 2 doesn't even mention Chosen Undeads because that is a redundant title. Not even in DS1 that was special, as Cresfallen made very clear.

"It's a redundant title".

So. What evidence to you have that links the PLAYER character to "Comrade"? We're not the only "fools" out there, as is mentioned by many NPCs over all three games.

But did "Cresfallen" say anything of the sort? DaS1 he's mocking the concept of two bells or is more suprised that the player keeps living dispite the odds, and there's a whole comic in the second game that pretty much covers someone else running the game.

Someone that's never brought up again. http://imgur.com/gallery/PIzJy

I bring up the fact that in both games, there's events that give away that the "legends" you hear are nothing more than bait to get you into that area, or to perform the actions leading to someone to mislead you further. This is clearer in DaS1 if you side with Kaathe rather than Frampt, as the dear old Kingseeker happily points out he can easily replace you. There's also several call backs to a "hero who linked the fire" in some of the items in Dark Souls 2. The Fine Bone Ash is such an item.

But, as you youself point out, and multiple people have said, BOTH endings are canon. So, this CANNOT just refer to the player character. After all, not linking the fire leads to a new Dark Age, and you don't need me to say this is not going to be remembered as a GOOD thing...

The very nature of the "multiple worlds" means that there's going to be an age where the complete opposite can happen. Lucatiel journey isn't a secret. And she certainly would have met many more people down the road before she encounters the player.

The two titles I use are what the community refers to the PC in the game. Seeing as there's no canonical identity, we just refer to them as the name they're called by the NPCs. Chosen Undead for one, and Bearer of the Curse in two.

This is not a hard concept.

But, as I said. There is nothing SOLID refering to ANYTHING the player does. The only thing that this item description has in common with the questline is echoing something Lucatiel mentions.

And that "something" is repeated by multiple questlines in the game. People forgetting everything. What's to say she's forgotten the fact she's mentioned this to someone else?

And finally, you once again prove my point.

And in DS3, Siegward and plenty of other characters are Unkindled, too. He even says this textually "we Unkindled." It is no mystery that we are not the only Unkindled in DS3.

So, why are we attacking me for pointing out that this "comade" might not even BE the player character?

Afterall, you believe you can directly linking "a comrade" to the PC of Dark Souls 2 dispite openly accepting there's more than one person questing for a "cure" that doesn't exist.

But of course...

You are deliberately contrarian, and deny the obvious

Right.

So, saying I'm wrong, then repeating what I said makes you right, does it?

We're done here.

[Sm4ck]

DS1 - You link the flame
DS2 - You cure the undead curse
DS3 - You can link the flame, give it to the fire keeper or take it for yourself.

In the end it doesn't really matter because someday a person will take the flame for itself, thus he will become the dark lord. Until the age of dark is over and ( the age of ancient ) the age fire begins again. Repeating it in an endless time loop.

Sorry had to react to it

[SirusTheMadDJ]

Almost two years...That's pretty close to a record on necroposts for me...